Lugers stolen - Page 2

padredan · 06-21-2012, 03:12 PM

police reports are not always precise, alot of serial numbers and descriptions are sometimes mispelled and other times just plain wrong, main thing it is entered into the ncis and thinksteam data bases one or both are the main source used by law enforcement depts to check items to see if they maybe stolen , i have actualy seen myself firearms recovered years later and returned because of these two data bases . Sad thing is smaller depts do not have the man power or sometimes the knowledge to use them, but recovery does happen ,usualy by a larger dept when they turn up in their jurisdiction

Ron Wood · 06-21-2012, 04:59 PM

Another sad thing is that guns reported as stolen without including the serial number suffix and sufficient detail sometimes leads to problems for legitimate sales. For example a Luger reported as stolen with a serial number of 1234 and no other information leaves open a problem for probably several dozen Lugers with that number (with or without suffix) but of DWM, Erfurt, Simson, Mauser, Krieghoff or Swiss manufacture.

lew1 · 06-21-2012, 06:35 PM

One would think that the collector of lugers would know to include the letter suffix, if any.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-21-2012, 06:39 PM

I could be wrong but from what I can see I don't think we are getting the whole story here..

lugerholsterrepair · 06-21-2012, 06:55 PM

Mike, Thanks! That clears that up...I can only empathize with the owner..I have been through this and heard of it many times. Not the best way to start the day..At least the owner was not beaten or killed during the commission of the felony.

The obvious has already been stated above about suffix's and makers. Let this be a lesson to whoever reads this thread..you need all that information to have a prayer of recovery.

mrerick · 06-21-2012, 10:31 PM

Ron, I corrected "Matching"... Hopefully, if someone searches on the serial number numeric digits they'll hit this thread!

We have an interesting pistol s/n identification chart posted in our classroom at the gun club. It was published by the NY PD a long time ago. IIRC, the description on Lugers indicates the possibility of duplication of serial numbers and the importance of the suffix.

Marc

cirelaw · 06-22-2012, 12:52 PM

I had an idea that might be useful in the event an aweful event happens to us. Can we get together and come up an individual sheet with an individual facts, serial numbers or nuances. I would be able to attach a complete set of pictues than can be duplicated for distribute to proper authorities.. Each of us up to now held the mistaken belief that this could neven happen to me!

mrerick · 06-22-2012, 04:55 PM

For awhile I've been considering an online collector database. This could be used to indicate what is known about a specific firearm (characteristics) including photographs, information like ownership (with some degree of privacy) and issues like theft.

This could help consolidate the multiple spreadsheets know being maintained, and keep the most current data always online and available to participants.

The system I'm visualizing would allow online interactive data entry and look-up, and permit reports to be created.

I know that the labor that has gone into researching the existing lists is huge - in many cases a life long effort. For that reason, many are considered proprietary.

I spent about 10 years of my work career in open technologies, and have some experience with the balance between sharing intellectual property, and protecting investment.

The benefits of pooling intellectual property can help raise the value to all participants, create new opportunities (like accurate theft tracking) and can help participants focus on areas of specialization.

If there is interest, I can start working on this effort with more focus...

Marc

cirelaw · 06-22-2012, 07:48 PM

Hit the gunshow around a hundred miles. Give your loss report to the both. Pass it out to gunshows, parking lots, offer a nominal reward! I know! Our Sheriif Ken for St. Lucie out of uniform was aproached to purchase an oozi from a back of a car. He said he needed to hit the teller for cash and they all swooped in! You have some beautiful guns. Too much for one or two scum bags! This really Pisses Me Off. Maybe a reward for info leading for recovery or precution!! or 'Castration with a dull butter knife!

CavScoutEurope · 06-24-2012, 10:17 PM

Do we have a list of the German alphabet on here? And how they would appear on our Luger’s?

cirelaw · 06-25-2012, 11:09 AM

I assumed our were the same!

lew1 · 06-25-2012, 12:42 PM

From Jan Sill's site

The first one is given as early Mauser and the second on as late Mauser.

RichSr · 06-25-2012, 12:47 PM

Eric's post does NOT show what the suffix letters will llook like. Go to http://www.lugerforum.com/ click on the "technical information" to the left of the screen and then "markings" will give you two charts showing illustrations of suffix letters

Terry Tiell · 06-29-2012, 01:14 AM

Man thats horrible! I wish you the best in recovering all of them and hope the thieves get what they deserve.

Are you sure it wasn't someone you know? Something like this sounds like an inside job. Not that you did it but someone must have known what you had.

cirelaw · 06-29-2012, 02:59 PM

The sad part is most homeowner policy insure non household items up to a thousand. Thanks to a friend who is in law enforcement All of mine except for one the mantle are locked awaywith him. Is anyone aware of a company to insure againt the srum baggie. I wish you the best!

lew1 · 06-29-2012, 03:58 PM

There are three companies which sell insurance for collectibles - including firearms.

http://www.historicfirearms.com/wordpress/?page_id=2

http://www.corevensguninsurance.com/

http://www.collectinsure.com/

Collectors Insurance advertises the most, but that does not necessarily mean that it is the best.

All of the rates are competitive but there are differences in the details - especially for large collections.

Arizona Slim · 06-29-2012, 05:12 PM

Thanks Charlie, do you have any information on the NRA's ArmsCare coverage? I noticed that the first $2500. is at no cost for members and that can be increased but I have not contacted them yet.

cirelaw · 07-01-2012, 10:53 PM

Did all the luger makers use the same TEXT? Was it ever changed!!

Ron Wood · 07-01-2012, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Did all the luger makers use the same TEXT? Was it ever changed!!

No. Yes.

cirelaw · 07-02-2012, 11:36 AM

Its probobly another tool to approximently date a piece by the unique syle of script! Thank You Ron!

06-21-2012, 03:12 PM	#21
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	police reports are not always precise, alot of serial numbers and descriptions are sometimes mispelled and other times just plain wrong, main thing it is entered into the ncis and thinksteam data bases one or both are the main source used by law enforcement depts to check items to see if they maybe stolen , i have actualy seen myself firearms recovered years later and returned because of these two data bases . Sad thing is smaller depts do not have the man power or sometimes the knowledge to use them, but recovery does happen ,usualy by a larger dept when they turn up in their jurisdiction __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

06-21-2012, 04:59 PM	#22
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Another sad thing is that guns reported as stolen without including the serial number suffix and sufficient detail sometimes leads to problems for legitimate sales. For example a Luger reported as stolen with a serial number of 1234 and no other information leaves open a problem for probably several dozen Lugers with that number (with or without suffix) but of DWM, Erfurt, Simson, Mauser, Krieghoff or Swiss manufacture. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-21-2012, 06:35 PM	#23
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	One would think that the collector of lugers would know to include the letter suffix, if any. __________________ charlie

06-21-2012, 06:39 PM	#24
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,939 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	I could be wrong but from what I can see I don't think we are getting the whole story here.. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-21-2012, 06:55 PM	#25
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,939 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Mike, Thanks! That clears that up...I can only empathize with the owner..I have been through this and heard of it many times. Not the best way to start the day..At least the owner was not beaten or killed during the commission of the felony. The obvious has already been stated above about suffix's and makers. Let this be a lesson to whoever reads this thread..you need all that information to have a prayer of recovery. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-21-2012, 10:31 PM	#26
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Ron, I corrected "Matching"... Hopefully, if someone searches on the serial number numeric digits they'll hit this thread! We have an interesting pistol s/n identification chart posted in our classroom at the gun club. It was published by the NY PD a long time ago. IIRC, the description on Lugers indicates the possibility of duplication of serial numbers and the importance of the suffix. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

06-22-2012, 12:52 PM	#27
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I had an idea that might be useful in the event an aweful event happens to us. Can we get together and come up an individual sheet with an individual facts, serial numbers or nuances. I would be able to attach a complete set of pictues than can be duplicated for distribute to proper authorities.. Each of us up to now held the mistaken belief that this could neven happen to me!

06-22-2012, 04:55 PM	#28
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	For awhile I've been considering an online collector database. This could be used to indicate what is known about a specific firearm (characteristics) including photographs, information like ownership (with some degree of privacy) and issues like theft. This could help consolidate the multiple spreadsheets know being maintained, and keep the most current data always online and available to participants. The system I'm visualizing would allow online interactive data entry and look-up, and permit reports to be created. I know that the labor that has gone into researching the existing lists is huge - in many cases a life long effort. For that reason, many are considered proprietary. I spent about 10 years of my work career in open technologies, and have some experience with the balance between sharing intellectual property, and protecting investment. The benefits of pooling intellectual property can help raise the value to all participants, create new opportunities (like accurate theft tracking) and can help participants focus on areas of specialization. If there is interest, I can start working on this effort with more focus... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

06-22-2012, 07:48 PM	#29
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Hit the gunshow around a hundred miles. Give your loss report to the both. Pass it out to gunshows, parking lots, offer a nominal reward! I know! Our Sheriif Ken for St. Lucie out of uniform was aproached to purchase an oozi from a back of a car. He said he needed to hit the teller for cash and they all swooped in! You have some beautiful guns. Too much for one or two scum bags! This really Pisses Me Off. Maybe a reward for info leading for recovery or precution!! or 'Castration with a dull butter knife!

06-24-2012, 10:17 PM	#30
CavScoutEurope User Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 86 Thanks: 102 Thanked 15 Times in 14 Posts	Do we have a list of the German alphabet on here? And how they would appear on our Luger’s?

06-25-2012, 11:09 AM	#31
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Here german script I assumed our were the same! Attached Thumbnails

06-25-2012, 12:42 PM	#32
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	From Jan Sill's site The first one is given as early Mauser and the second on as late Mauser. Attached Thumbnails __________________ charlie

06-25-2012, 12:47 PM	#33
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 128 Thanks: 153 Thanked 54 Times in 36 Posts	Eric's post does NOT show what the suffix letters will llook like. Go to http://www.lugerforum.com/ click on the "technical information" to the left of the screen and then "markings" will give you two charts showing illustrations of suffix letters __________________ Rich

06-29-2012, 01:14 AM	#34
Terry Tiell User Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: The Fascist State of Maryland Posts: 224 Thanks: 55 Thanked 26 Times in 14 Posts	Man thats horrible! I wish you the best in recovering all of them and hope the thieves get what they deserve. Are you sure it wasn't someone you know? Something like this sounds like an inside job. Not that you did it but someone must have known what you had.

06-29-2012, 02:59 PM	#35
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	The sad part is most homeowner policy insure non household items up to a thousand. Thanks to a friend who is in law enforcement All of mine except for one the mantle are locked awaywith him. Is anyone aware of a company to insure againt the srum baggie. I wish you the best!

06-29-2012, 03:58 PM	#36
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	There are three companies which sell insurance for collectibles - including firearms. http://www.historicfirearms.com/wordpress/?page_id=2 http://www.corevensguninsurance.com/ http://www.collectinsure.com/ Collectors Insurance advertises the most, but that does not necessarily mean that it is the best. All of the rates are competitive but there are differences in the details - especially for large collections. __________________ charlie

06-29-2012, 05:12 PM	#37
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Thanks Charlie, do you have any information on the NRA's ArmsCare coverage? I noticed that the first $2500. is at no cost for members and that can be increased but I have not contacted them yet.

07-01-2012, 10:53 PM	#38
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Did all the luger makers use the same TEXT? Was it ever changed!!

07-02-2012, 11:36 AM	#40
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Its probobly another tool to approximently date a piece by the unique syle of script! Thank You Ron!