Snail drums and the law

[Jack Lawman]

Originally Posted by mystical_tutor

I'm still looking for the specific list on their web site as I have not been able to out think their search engine. Found all sorts of stuff to read about though... LOL.

Here's the list of lugers removed from the NFA as collector's items and classified as Curios Or Relics under the GCA (minus any additions from 2008 to present).

Link: http://www.atf.gov/files/publication...elics-list.pdf

ATF Publication 5300.11 Revised December 2007
SEC. III. Weapons removed from the National Firearms Act (NFA) as collector's items which are determined to be Curios or Relics subject to the provisions of the GCA. page 34 - 42

Luger, Artillery model, pistols having chamber dates of 1914 through 1918 or 1920, having German Weimar Navy markings consisting of the letter M over an anchor and a German Navy property number accompanied by original Artillery Luger flat board stocks, bearing German Weimar Navy markings of the letter M over an anchor with or without Navy property numbers.

Luger, the 1920 Commercial Artillery model, pistols as mfd. by DWM or Erfurt, having undated chambers, commercial proofmarks, and bearing the inscription Germany or Made in Germany on the receiver and accompanied by original, German mfd., artillery type, detachable wooden shoulder stocks.

Luger, DWM Pistol, model 1900,1902, or 1906, in 7.65 Luger or 9mm parabellum cal., having the American Eagle chamber crest, and barrel lengths of either 4" or 4-3/4", with original detachable Ideal shoulder stocks and Ideal frame grips.

DWM Luger, Original models 1904, 1906, 1908, 1914, and 1920. Naval pistols in 9mm parabellum or 7.65mm cal., in both the Commercial and Naval military varieties; in both altered and unaltered barrel lengths in the model 1904 and in both altered and unaltered safety markings in the model 1906; with original board-type detachable shoulder stocks bearing brass or iron discs, with or without markings, or, if without brass or iron discs, being of the Navy flat board-type. This exemption applies only to the listed Naval Luger pistols if mated to the Naval Luger stock and will not apply if the Naval Luger pistol is mated to the Artillery stock. The Naval stock has an overall dimension of 12-3/4", a rear width of 4-5/8", a front width of 1-1/2", a rearthickness of 9/16", and a front thickness of l-3/16".

Luger, DWM Stoeger model 1920 and 1923, semiautomatic pistols in 7.65mm or 9mm parabellum cal., in barrel lengths of 8, 10, 12, and 12-1/2", having eitherAmerican Eagle chamber crests and/or Stoeger frame and/or upper receiver marks, having either standard, Navy or artillery rear sights, having extractors marked either "Loaded" or "Geladen" and having frame safety markings of either "Gesichert" or "Safe," together w/original commercial flat board stocks of the artillery type, which bear no S/Ns or military proof marks; may include a "Germany" marking.

Luger, DWM Pistol-Carbine, model 1920, 7.65mm or 9mm parabellum cal., with accompanying original commercial type shoulder stock, with or without forearm piece, having barrel lengths of 11-3/4" to less than 16".

Luger, German model 1914, Artillery model pistol, mfd. by DWM orErfurt, having chambers dated 1914 –1918, bearing Imperial German military proofmarks & accompanied by original, German mfd., artillery type, detachable wooden shoulder stocks.

Luger, model 1902, Pistol-Carbine, 7.65mm Luger with original commercial type shoulder stock and forearm and 11-3/4" barrel.

Luger, Persian (Iranian) Artillery model, pistols, as mfd. by Mauserprior to 1945, accompanied by the original artillery type, detachable wooden shoulder stock, bearing a S/N in Farsi characters stamped into the wood on the left side.
Luger, semiautomatic pistol, certain variations with Benke-Thiemann folding shoulder stock

Jack

[mystical_tutor]

A little update here for those interested and specifically for those living in Colorado.

The Governor of Colorado requested techincal guidance to use with the July 1 law. These are published on the Colorado Bureau of Investigation web site under a tab "2013 Firearms Regulations":

Technical Guidance on the Interpretation and Application of House Bill 13-1224 Large Capacity Magazine Ban

Additional Technical Guidance on the Interpretation and Application of House Bill 13-1224 Large Capacity Magazine Ban

They are only a couple pages and easy to read but make no notice or mention of colletors items or curios and relics.

As they read anyone that has possessed the item before the law went into effect may continue to posses it but may not transfer it or obtain more.

I called CBI for clarification. I was referred to the office of the Adjutant General. I called there and was referred to CBI (that didn't catch anyone off guard did it?). After a discussion with the person on the line who carefully walked me through the steps to find what I needed on the internet--you guessed it, the above papers. Then politely told that if I needed any additional guidance I would need to hire a privet attorney.

To my question: "If I display my 'high capacity magazines' at a gun show, how will a law enforcement officer know if I should be arrested"? I was given the same answer.

Just to keep under the radar I don't think I'll take my two snail drums to the gun show.

I would like to sell them but I guess I would have to drive down to Arizona and mail them out.

Gary