bitten by the Bug again - Page 2

Arminius · 01-11-2014, 02:27 PM

Oh God!

lugerholsterrepair · 01-11-2014, 04:00 PM

I look at the front of the frame, I wonder if perhaps the frame was shaved to remove the original serial number...It is one or the other..a shaved frame as you say or a ground off lug.

You say the pistol kocks and fires so it can only be that the front of the frame was shaved off along with the old serial number and re numbered.

tenbears · 01-12-2014, 12:29 PM

I'm in agreement it looks like the frame was shaved to remove the original serial number.

Arminius · 01-16-2014, 04:26 PM

Hello!

No, I just said, it dry fires.

I wonder when and how to fire that Piece ...

Lether Gloves, Glasses, but Hand with gun Held behind a tree, so only my Hand ( in strong gloves ) is "present" to the gun ...

H

sheepherder · 01-16-2014, 05:16 PM

It is just my opinion, but since there is evidence that the serial number was removed & re-stamped, I think you may have a good case of fraud/stolen goods...Since you have quite a bit of money invested, I would ask the seller for a full refund, and if he refuses, I would seek legal counsel.

George Anderson · 01-16-2014, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Arminius

Hello!

I wonder when and how to fire that Piece ...

Lether Gloves, Glasses, but Hand with gun Held behind a tree, so only my Hand ( in strong gloves ) is "present" to the gun ...

H

I would suggest you let your wife fire it first.

Norme · 01-16-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

I would suggest you let your wife fire it first.

Who said chivalry is dead?

John Sabato · 01-16-2014, 06:03 PM

I concur with all of the above assessments regarding this gun being NOT a genuine Navy. But request that you NOT take George Anderson's suggestion. (GEORGE !!!)

The gun is a shooter, not a collectible.

I would strongly suggest you try to follow Sheepherder's advice.

wlyon · 01-16-2014, 06:38 PM

George
You do come up with some good ideas. She didn't hear that did she?? Bill

lugerholsterrepair · 01-16-2014, 10:13 PM

Out here in the West we duck tape the pistol to an old tire, tie a string around the trigger and give her a big yank. Saves wear and tear on the Lady of the house and the subsequent vet bills. Or you could casually hand it to someone you don't know at the range..HEY! ever wanta shoot a Luger?

CAP Black · 01-16-2014, 10:27 PM

Gee Whiz; how do you guys treat your friends?
Jack

sheepherder · 01-16-2014, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CAP Black

Gee Whiz; how do you guys treat your friends?
Jack

The same. When I re-chambered my XP-100 to .223 Remington, I handed it to 'Mad Mark' and told him it was fun to shoot...

DavidJayUden · 01-16-2014, 11:59 PM

I just held my barrel-bulged Artillery sort of around a corner, closed my eyes and let 'er rip. Turns out she's a great shooter.
dju

John Sabato · 01-17-2014, 10:24 AM

Has anyone even mentioned the fact that the lower frame is stamped 1916 and the upper is dated 1918? Yest they have the same serial number? Sheesh Arminius, I am so sorry you bought this one... might as well shoot the heck out of it...

Norme · 01-17-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by John Sabato

Has anyone even mentioned the fact that the lower frame is stamped 1916 and the upper is dated 1918? Yest they have the same serial number? Sheesh Arminius, I am so sorry you bought this one... might as well shoot the heck out of it...

Hi John, Hermann's frame is not dated 1916, it is undated. The photos of 1916 dated guns were posted by me to illustrate the notorious "floating crown" Naval inspection marks.
Regards, Norm

John Sabato · 01-17-2014, 11:46 AM

Ahhh. Thanks for the clarification... I had just glanced at the photos and didn't notice the disctinction...

I have never owned a Navy... but have handled many. I was personally schooled in the art of boosted Navy detection by none other than the late Tom Armstrong... a Navy Luger collector extraordinaire...

Getting to see and handle his collection was a privilege I shall never forget.

Arminius · 01-17-2014, 02:42 PM

I asked to undo the deal, and he refused.

It´s buyer beware, and I did not look good enough.

I am not going to let somebody else shoot that gun, until it´s safe, tested by some rounds.

As I said, thick Leather gloves, Hunting jacket, Gun held around a Corner, one round loaded no mag in it ...

Just to determine, if it´s a shooter.

I am sure, 9 mm Go / No Go Gauges would help, but nobody except the "Beschussamt" has these there.

Going there is meaning gun will possibly be marked "non shooter" - so no choice.

I am through with Lugers.

Hermann

DavidJayUden · 01-17-2014, 02:45 PM

Not sure what Beschussamt is but why not simply buy a set of Go, No-Go guages and leave everyone else out of it.
Sorry that your Luger experience has been difficult.
dju

Norme · 01-17-2014, 03:17 PM

Hi Hermann, I too am sorry that you have been victimized, but if it helps any, most experienced Luger collectors, if they are honest, will admit that they too have been cheated in the past. I know I have.
The ground area on the front of the frame should not be a safety issue, most of the stress on Luger frames is towards the rear. That said, it's always a good idea to take sensible precautions when shooting an old gun for the first time.
Regards, Norm

Ben M. · 01-17-2014, 08:14 PM

if you have a gun range with a gunsmith in the business, they might have a gun vice that allows a pistol to be secured and it can be test fired from a safe distance with a trigger pull string-cord.

01-11-2014, 04:00 PM	#22
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	I look at the front of the frame, I wonder if perhaps the frame was shaved to remove the original serial number...It is one or the other..a shaved frame as you say or a ground off lug. You say the pistol kocks and fires so it can only be that the front of the frame was shaved off along with the old serial number and re numbered. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-16-2014, 05:16 PM	#25
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	It is just my opinion, but since there is evidence that the serial number was removed & re-stamped, I think you may have a good case of fraud/stolen goods...Since you have quite a bit of money invested, I would ask the seller for a full refund, and if he refuses, I would seek legal counsel. __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-16-2014, 06:03 PM	#28
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I concur with all of the above assessments regarding this gun being NOT a genuine Navy. But request that you NOT take George Anderson's suggestion. (GEORGE !!!) The gun is a shooter, not a collectible. I would strongly suggest you try to follow Sheepherder's advice. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-16-2014, 06:38 PM	#29
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	George You do come up with some good ideas. She didn't hear that did she?? Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

01-16-2014, 10:13 PM	#30
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Out here in the West we duck tape the pistol to an old tire, tie a string around the trigger and give her a big yank. Saves wear and tear on the Lady of the house and the subsequent vet bills. Or you could casually hand it to someone you don't know at the range..HEY! ever wanta shoot a Luger? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-11-2014, 02:27 PM	#21
Arminius User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austria Posts: 48 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Oh God!

01-12-2014, 12:29 PM	#23
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	I'm in agreement it looks like the frame was shaved to remove the original serial number.

01-16-2014, 04:26 PM	#24
Arminius User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austria Posts: 48 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Hello! No, I just said, it dry fires. I wonder when and how to fire that Piece ... Lether Gloves, Glasses, but Hand with gun Held behind a tree, so only my Hand ( in strong gloves ) is "present" to the gun ... H

01-16-2014, 10:27 PM	#31
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	Gee Whiz; how do you guys treat your friends? Jack

01-16-2014, 11:59 PM	#33
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I just held my barrel-bulged Artillery sort of around a corner, closed my eyes and let 'er rip. Turns out she's a great shooter. dju

01-17-2014, 10:24 AM	#34
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Has anyone even mentioned the fact that the lower frame is stamped 1916 and the upper is dated 1918? Yest they have the same serial number? Sheesh Arminius, I am so sorry you bought this one... might as well shoot the heck out of it... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-17-2014, 11:46 AM	#36
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Ahhh. Thanks for the clarification... I had just glanced at the photos and didn't notice the disctinction... I have never owned a Navy... but have handled many. I was personally schooled in the art of boosted Navy detection by none other than the late Tom Armstrong... a Navy Luger collector extraordinaire... Getting to see and handle his collection was a privilege I shall never forget. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-17-2014, 02:42 PM	#37
Arminius User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austria Posts: 48 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	I asked to undo the deal, and he refused. It´s buyer beware, and I did not look good enough. I am not going to let somebody else shoot that gun, until it´s safe, tested by some rounds. As I said, thick Leather gloves, Hunting jacket, Gun held around a Corner, one round loaded no mag in it ... Just to determine, if it´s a shooter. I am sure, 9 mm Go / No Go Gauges would help, but nobody except the "Beschussamt" has these there. Going there is meaning gun will possibly be marked "non shooter" - so no choice. I am through with Lugers. Hermann

01-17-2014, 02:45 PM	#38
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Not sure what Beschussamt is but why not simply buy a set of Go, No-Go guages and leave everyone else out of it. Sorry that your Luger experience has been difficult. dju

01-17-2014, 03:17 PM	#39
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Hermann, I too am sorry that you have been victimized, but if it helps any, most experienced Luger collectors, if they are honest, will admit that they too have been cheated in the past. I know I have. The ground area on the front of the frame should not be a safety issue, most of the stress on Luger frames is towards the rear. That said, it's always a good idea to take sensible precautions when shooting an old gun for the first time. Regards, Norm

01-17-2014, 08:14 PM	#40
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	if you have a gun range with a gunsmith in the business, they might have a gun vice that allows a pistol to be secured and it can be test fired from a safe distance with a trigger pull string-cord.