Luger 45 Art - Page 3

LugerMan.com · 02-04-2018, 03:25 PM

Tom,

Thank you for the detailed feedback,

You are absolutely correct, we do value feedback very much so.

Only wish all owners of the guns we send out, voice there findings.

These guns are first 40 produced.
And some field trial corrections are expected.
And feedback is very much needed for improvement of the product in the future.

Even so we shot every gun and prototype over 7000 rounds total,
We have been working on the gun for so long, and faced meany problems in the process of making this gun fully functional and reliable gun.
There is possibility that some little things like, take down spring and need to slam the mag in, just did not bother us as much.

We think the easiest way to correct the problems will be for us to send a new take down spring, and replacement magazine catch with corrected profile.
And you can send the original catch back after you try the new one.

We are all waiting for a range report.

Thanks.

LugerMan.com · 02-04-2018, 03:50 PM

If you think about it, never before the 45 Luger was out, in the field and properly tested.

The 45 luger had been shot and tested in the trials of 1907 and a lucky few shot the gun after with very limited amount of ammunition.

So think about this 40 guns as a chance to participate in 1907 Army extended field test that never happened originally.

Because Luger refused the order to supplie the guns.

And just as Luger would have supported and welcomed Army feedback , we are thankful for it now.

And hoping improve the guns function.

So please shoot your guns and report back.

LugerMan.com · 02-11-2018, 12:23 PM

FYI:
Prototype #4 featured in the article returned home this week.

it has a job to do.
It's a promotional tool.
It will travel to other publications and web sites for reviews.

It is also a test subject that will be fired many more rounds, to find weak spots of the design for future improvements to design.

I still have frames numbered 47 and 48 from 2017 run.

I do not have slides for them, slides are been run now and in 10-12 weeks these two frames will be dressed in to fully functional guns.

One of them will serve as a base for 10mm carbine that will stay in house.
Another frame is going to be up for grabs.
Estimated availability of that one gun is 3 month.
We are also working on target toggle, so it may end up with a target toggle and heavy profile high post barrel I am thinking 8 inch or so.

With most of the small parts already milled for the next 50 units for 2018, most with overruns to 60 - 90 counts.
We got slides to do (8-10 weeks); frames (16-20 weeks) and we will start assembly of 2018 units in the sequence of the incoming orders.

If anyone here has any means of publishing a review that will get visibility
and interested in receiving a Luger 45 #4 to play with for a week or two please let me know, we can arrange a delivery to an FFL of your choice.

LugerMan.com · 02-11-2018, 03:28 PM

#47 sold pending deposit.

ithacaartist · 02-11-2018, 10:57 PM

Eugene, I hope Hickok45 on YouTube gets a chance to try it out and review it. He's quite popular, and a great place for exposure.

LugerMan.com · 02-11-2018, 11:46 PM

I attempted to contact him, but was turned down. If anyone has any personal connection and can help get the spot under his sunlight , that will help. I got some sort of feedback that they only review guns in production. Which I know is not true, as they reviewed c96 Mauser and WWII lugers. I found that strange.

Zorba · 02-12-2018, 12:32 PM

In the meantime, you might consider a youtube video of your own. Show the gun in detail, and show somebody (I volunteer!

) shooting it.

"Forgotten Weapons" may be interested in it too.

LugerMan.com · 02-12-2018, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zorba

In the meantime, you might consider a youtube video of your own. Show the gun in detail, and show somebody (I volunteer!

) shooting it.

"Forgotten Weapons" may be interested in it too.

They actually are interested and that's were it's going next.

after we do our own video this week.

cirelaw · 02-12-2018, 04:05 PM

Forgotten weapons is also fine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIX1EL1hTmE You are a true master and there are no videos showing the steps and hard work!!! I'm sure you don't have much if any time! You showed the doubters that its really a time consuming process! Amazing the miracles of your progress! Are you trying to out do DWM!!! Eric

LugerMan.com · 02-12-2018, 09:00 PM

Just trying to turn history to an alternative pass, and see what would have happen if the 1907 Luger was adapted after the trial .

I believe it is a very valid competition to a 1911 Colt and given right conditions like competition shooting, will outperform 1911 due to the design differences.

It is also much easier to customize then most modern handguns, as the gun changes with just the size of the barrel and different toggle,
not meany platforms can offer that.

cirelaw · 02-12-2018, 11:01 PM

Great Point!!

LugerMan.com · 02-13-2018, 12:19 PM

Hello to all forum members, due to many demands for Stainless Steel Luger in 45, we decided to include a limited run of 10 units in current production.

They will carry $800 premium over standard guns due to material cost almost 3 times the hi carbon steel.

Material will be 420 stainless hard-enable to 55R. We running slides for 2018 run and included 10 of SS slides in it.

2 of the units already sold.

Estimated delivery 06/2019 as other small parts will need to be run with 2019 batch of parts.

Example is a Hi carbon steel gun in the white with 4 inch,
shorter than standard barrel marketed as a Luger 45 Carry model.

Michael Zeleny · 02-14-2018, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LugerMan.com

If anyone here has any means of publishing a review that will get visibility
and interested in receiving a Luger 45 #4 to play with for a week or two please let me know, we can arrange a delivery to an FFL of your choice.

I would be honored to review your masterwork, Eugene. I have a fair bit of international street cred as a researcher of Swiss, French, and German pistols. Additionally, I would recommend calling upon Leroy Thompson, the most learned gun scholar currently active.

cirelaw · 02-14-2018, 11:24 PM

Eugene, What is the most difficult step in production? Do you use a laser to inscribe?

LugerMan.com · 02-15-2018, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Eugene, What is the most difficult step in production? Do you use a laser to inscribe?

Frames are the hardest and longest, at almost 6 month last time around. With some walls as small as 0.020-0.030 of an inch .

We use mechanical engravers for letters and numbers and some are CNC machined in.

Wood is hand checkered.

cirelaw · 02-15-2018, 10:43 AM

Eugene, how many individual step go into making one luger? Eric

hayhugh · 02-15-2018, 10:55 AM

Lugerman is spending a lot of time answering these questions when he could be working on his projects.

cirelaw · 02-15-2018, 11:17 AM

Thats part of running a business!

Edward Tinker · 02-15-2018, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Thats part of running a business!

combine your questions Eric

LugerMan.com · 02-15-2018, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Eugene, how many individual step go into making one luger? Eric

It's hard to count on CNC,
But to many to list anyways.

Time it takes is over a week overall at about 200 man hours

About 50 a year maxed out, 5 people full time on it,
and 2 CNC centers

02-04-2018, 03:25 PM	#41
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Tom, Thank you for the detailed feedback, You are absolutely correct, we do value feedback very much so. Only wish all owners of the guns we send out, voice there findings. These guns are first 40 produced. And some field trial corrections are expected. And feedback is very much needed for improvement of the product in the future. Even so we shot every gun and prototype over 7000 rounds total, We have been working on the gun for so long, and faced meany problems in the process of making this gun fully functional and reliable gun. There is possibility that some little things like, take down spring and need to slam the mag in, just did not bother us as much. We think the easiest way to correct the problems will be for us to send a new take down spring, and replacement magazine catch with corrected profile. And you can send the original catch back after you try the new one. We are all waiting for a range report. Thanks. __________________ [email protected] Last edited by LugerMan.com; 02-05-2018 at 09:09 AM.

02-04-2018, 03:50 PM	#42
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	If you think about it, never before the 45 Luger was out, in the field and properly tested. The 45 luger had been shot and tested in the trials of 1907 and a lucky few shot the gun after with very limited amount of ammunition. So think about this 40 guns as a chance to participate in 1907 Army extended field test that never happened originally. Because Luger refused the order to supplie the guns. And just as Luger would have supported and welcomed Army feedback , we are thankful for it now. And hoping improve the guns function. So please shoot your guns and report back. __________________ [email protected] Last edited by LugerMan.com; 02-05-2018 at 09:09 AM.

02-11-2018, 12:23 PM	#43
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	#4 is home FYI: Prototype #4 featured in the article returned home this week. it has a job to do. It's a promotional tool. It will travel to other publications and web sites for reviews. It is also a test subject that will be fired many more rounds, to find weak spots of the design for future improvements to design. I still have frames numbered 47 and 48 from 2017 run. I do not have slides for them, slides are been run now and in 10-12 weeks these two frames will be dressed in to fully functional guns. One of them will serve as a base for 10mm carbine that will stay in house. Another frame is going to be up for grabs. Estimated availability of that one gun is 3 month. We are also working on target toggle, so it may end up with a target toggle and heavy profile high post barrel I am thinking 8 inch or so. With most of the small parts already milled for the next 50 units for 2018, most with overruns to 60 - 90 counts. We got slides to do (8-10 weeks); frames (16-20 weeks) and we will start assembly of 2018 units in the sequence of the incoming orders. If anyone here has any means of publishing a review that will get visibility and interested in receiving a Luger 45 #4 to play with for a week or two please let me know, we can arrange a delivery to an FFL of your choice. __________________ [email protected]

02-11-2018, 03:28 PM	#44
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	#47 sold pending deposit. __________________ [email protected]

02-11-2018, 10:57 PM	#45
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Eugene, I hope Hickok45 on YouTube gets a chance to try it out and review it. He's quite popular, and a great place for exposure. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

02-11-2018, 11:46 PM	#46
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	I attempted to contact him, but was turned down. If anyone has any personal connection and can help get the spot under his sunlight , that will help. I got some sort of feedback that they only review guns in production. Which I know is not true, as they reviewed c96 Mauser and WWII lugers. I found that strange. __________________ [email protected]

02-12-2018, 12:32 PM	#47
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 527 Times in 290 Posts	In the meantime, you might consider a youtube video of your own. Show the gun in detail, and show somebody (I volunteer! ) shooting it. "Forgotten Weapons" may be interested in it too.

02-12-2018, 04:05 PM	#49
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Forgotten weapons is also fine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIX1EL1hTmE You are a true master and there are no videos showing the steps and hard work!!! I'm sure you don't have much if any time! You showed the doubters that its really a time consuming process! Amazing the miracles of your progress! Are you trying to out do DWM!!! Eric

02-12-2018, 09:00 PM	#50
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Just trying to turn history to an alternative pass, and see what would have happen if the 1907 Luger was adapted after the trial . I believe it is a very valid competition to a 1911 Colt and given right conditions like competition shooting, will outperform 1911 due to the design differences. It is also much easier to customize then most modern handguns, as the gun changes with just the size of the barrel and different toggle, not meany platforms can offer that. __________________ [email protected]

02-12-2018, 11:01 PM	#51
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Great Point!!

02-13-2018, 12:19 PM	#52
LugerMan.com User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 377 Thanks: 91 Thanked 361 Times in 113 Posts	Stainless Option Hello to all forum members, due to many demands for Stainless Steel Luger in 45, we decided to include a limited run of 10 units in current production. They will carry $800 premium over standard guns due to material cost almost 3 times the hi carbon steel. Material will be 420 stainless hard-enable to 55R. We running slides for 2018 run and included 10 of SS slides in it. 2 of the units already sold. Estimated delivery 06/2019 as other small parts will need to be run with 2019 batch of parts. Example is a Hi carbon steel gun in the white with 4 inch, shorter than standard barrel marketed as a Luger 45 Carry model. Attached Thumbnails __________________ [email protected]

02-14-2018, 11:24 PM	#54
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Eugene, What is the most difficult step in production? Do you use a laser to inscribe?

02-15-2018, 10:43 AM	#56
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Eugene, how many individual step go into making one luger? Eric

02-15-2018, 10:55 AM	#57
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Lugerman is spending a lot of time answering these questions when he could be working on his projects.

02-15-2018, 11:17 AM	#58
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thats part of running a business!