Black Widow grip observation

grapppa · 12-23-2006, 04:10 PM

A while back I compared 3 sets of BW grips; all of which were purpored to be authentic. While doing the comparison I noticed on 2 sets of the grips, which happen to be the '41 single hole variety, there are 2 very small zeroes on TWO sets of the grips. The zeroes were in the identical spot. I am wondering if this would help as a guideline in authenticating real vs. fake. This is only on the right grip.

Balder · 12-24-2006, 05:32 AM

No zeroes on my 42.

Balder

ChannelIsles · 12-24-2006, 09:01 AM

There are two zero's on my '41 byf (right grip only) & I've no reason to think this pistol grip's been altered since issued.
Brendan

Luke · 12-24-2006, 09:52 AM

Can't say what they mean, but I have noted those small "o" markings on a few known-authentic black widow grips.
Luke

c3006 · 12-24-2006, 10:09 AM

Mine has the 2 Os Merry Christmas to all clint

Fredo · 12-24-2006, 10:17 AM

Hi
My 42 blackwidow doesn't show those signs, mery Christmass to all of you from Switzerland

pisto · 12-28-2006, 08:15 AM

Fredo,
do the grips you have show a circle with concentic rings outside?
the grips you are showing are from a VOPO Luger east German rework.

Fredo · 12-28-2006, 11:51 AM

Hi Yes they do show concentric circle, may be I'm confused between balck widow and East Germany VOPO rework. What's the difference?

pisto · 12-28-2006, 12:20 PM

Good Question...
East Germany carried after WWII a lot of captured Lugers still in theyr Police forces. They have had special gauges to measure the Lugers when they made a 1 year inspection. They also cept the Smeisser extruded magazines producing going on and marked them with
2/1001, they made theyr own spare parts like east German side plates etc.
Most VoPo Lugers are reblued sand blasted , re numbered, numbers are x-ed out and new numbers are etched into the steel parts.
Frankonia sold them a few years ago. Probably yours is stamped at the drigger guard with a very small WWF, which is pointing the way to Frankonia trading company.
A picture of your luger would also help.

Pete Ebbink · 12-28-2006, 01:07 PM

Just 2 possiblities about the little "O" 's :

1. Air bubbles that came to the surface while the resin was setting up.

2. The maker used a 2-pronged tool to test the resin to make sure it was hard enough to pull the grip out of the mold ? Maybe the left and right grip were poured in a common mold so only 1 of the 2 grips needed to be tested with the pronged testing tool.

3. Any other ideas ??????

Fredo · 12-29-2006, 11:49 AM

Hi
here are somes picture of my GERMAN VOPO reworked , feedback is welcome
To my opinion the original gun was a mauser dated 1939, all Nr matching excepter the side plate. It was also reblued and has no longuer the original grip. The gun shoots very well and I paid 150Ã?Â£ from Ranger Arms in England some 10 years ago

Fredo · 12-29-2006, 11:52 AM

And a closer look at the side plate shows remarking and a strange mark on the left bottom side, may be this franconia marking?

grapppa · 12-30-2006, 10:32 AM

Pete, The thing that got my attention is that 2 pairs of grips of mine had the zeros in the exact same spot. I believe that they are not in the mold of the grip.

12-23-2006, 04:10 PM	#1
grapppa User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Black Widow grip observation A while back I compared 3 sets of BW grips; all of which were purpored to be authentic. While doing the comparison I noticed on 2 sets of the grips, which happen to be the '41 single hole variety, there are 2 very small zeroes on TWO sets of the grips. The zeroes were in the identical spot. I am wondering if this would help as a guideline in authenticating real vs. fake. This is only on the right grip. Attached Thumbnails

12-24-2006, 09:52 AM	#4
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Can't say what they mean, but I have noted those small "o" markings on a few known-authentic black widow grips. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

12-24-2006, 10:09 AM	#5
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Mine has the 2 Os Merry Christmas to all clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

12-24-2006, 10:17 AM	#6
Fredo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lausanne/Switzerland Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi My 42 blackwidow doesn't show those signs, mery Christmass to all of you from Switzerland Attached Images

12-29-2006, 11:49 AM	#11
Fredo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lausanne/Switzerland Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi here are somes picture of my GERMAN VOPO reworked , feedback is welcome To my opinion the original gun was a mauser dated 1939, all Nr matching excepter the side plate. It was also reblued and has no longuer the original grip. The gun shoots very well and I paid 150Ã?Â£ from Ranger Arms in England some 10 years ago Attached Thumbnails

12-24-2006, 05:32 AM	#2
Balder User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 288 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts	No zeroes on my 42. Balder

12-24-2006, 09:01 AM	#3
ChannelIsles User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jersey Channel Islands Posts: 156 Thanks: 8 Thanked 33 Times in 16 Posts	There are two zero's on my '41 byf (right grip only) & I've no reason to think this pistol grip's been altered since issued. Brendan

12-28-2006, 08:15 AM	#7
pisto User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 228 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Fredo, do the grips you have show a circle with concentic rings outside? the grips you are showing are from a VOPO Luger east German rework.

12-28-2006, 11:51 AM	#8
Fredo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lausanne/Switzerland Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Yes they do show concentric circle, may be I'm confused between balck widow and East Germany VOPO rework. What's the difference?

12-28-2006, 12:20 PM	#9
pisto User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 228 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Good Question... East Germany carried after WWII a lot of captured Lugers still in theyr Police forces. They have had special gauges to measure the Lugers when they made a 1 year inspection. They also cept the Smeisser extruded magazines producing going on and marked them with 2/1001, they made theyr own spare parts like east German side plates etc. Most VoPo Lugers are reblued sand blasted , re numbered, numbers are x-ed out and new numbers are etched into the steel parts. Frankonia sold them a few years ago. Probably yours is stamped at the drigger guard with a very small WWF, which is pointing the way to Frankonia trading company. A picture of your luger would also help.

12-28-2006, 01:07 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Just 2 possiblities about the little "O" 's : 1. Air bubbles that came to the surface while the resin was setting up. 2. The maker used a 2-pronged tool to test the resin to make sure it was hard enough to pull the grip out of the mold ? Maybe the left and right grip were poured in a common mold so only 1 of the 2 grips needed to be tested with the pronged testing tool. 3. Any other ideas ??????

12-29-2006, 11:52 AM	#12
Fredo User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lausanne/Switzerland Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	And a closer look at the side plate shows remarking and a strange mark on the left bottom side, may be this franconia marking? Attached Thumbnails

12-30-2006, 10:32 AM	#13
grapppa User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete, The thing that got my attention is that 2 pairs of grips of mine had the zeros in the exact same spot. I believe that they are not in the mold of the grip.