copy/fake rig on ebay

nickn · 01-13-2008, 06:35 PM

EBAY ITEM 170185208176
am i right in thinking this is a 70`s copy of a persian rig made in pakistan?

Pete Ebbink · 01-13-2008, 07:58 PM

Link to item Nick is discussing.

BTW...the vertically sewn holster strap is never right on a legit piece...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1

Ron Smith · 01-13-2008, 08:24 PM

Pakistani goat hide special.

spartacus38 · 01-13-2008, 08:43 PM

Vertical belt loops were period added to original artillery

luger holsters but as Ron has stated this holster is not

original WW1 era.

Bob

grapppa · 01-13-2008, 09:04 PM

Any time a seller adds Armor-all to their items - I run the other way!

George Anderson · 01-13-2008, 09:47 PM

Holster's a Paki p-o-s and the stock is very questionable. Examine steel to wood fit.

Pete Ebbink · 01-13-2008, 09:51 PM

Bob,

No disagreement...vertical belt loops can/have been added to authentic holsters.

But not in this low position and not with the upper mounting-block still in place.

The converted ones I have seen have the new vertical loops (usually two of them) added in the place where the mounting block has been removed.

spartacus38 · 01-13-2008, 10:01 PM

I have a minty 1914 dated and maker marked Artillery

holster with a period added single belt loop added

just below the mounting block.

Bob

Pete Ebbink · 01-13-2008, 10:15 PM

Bob,

Would you post up a photo or two...?

But I think George is right about this eBay offering...Paki...through and through...this one's mounting block is all wrong in shape and stitching...

lugerholsterrepair · 01-13-2008, 10:20 PM

Bob, Could you shoot me a photo of that? I have seen stock blocks swiveled to make a belt loop but never a seperate one below the stock block.
Jerry

spartacus38 · 01-13-2008, 11:04 PM

I emailed 3 pictures to Jerry Burney of my 1914 Artillery holster with a single

added belt loop .It also shows the leather button added to the flap for

the closure strap. He has asked Ed to post them.

Bob

ADMIN, I need a class on teaching you ole dogs to post pictures. It isn't that hard

abukafura · 01-13-2008, 11:42 PM

Jerry: The holster I have sent you to be restitched is like the one under discussion, only it is for a 4" Luger. Marked on back: Hans Romer. 1915. Gorgeous holster, not a rework, but has the same unusual configuration of straps on the back. Once you get it,pls tell me what you think. Have not seen another one like it.

Pete Ebbink · 01-14-2008, 11:44 AM

Thanks, Bob...

You do have a rare and unusual one there...thanks for taking the time to get your photos posted up.

Can you tell us if the dark-colored stitching on the added belt-loop on your holster is period-correct thread or a more modern-day material ?

Your holster cannot certainly be confused with the Paki-POS specimen that Nick asked about in his opening post.

spartacus38 · 01-14-2008, 12:47 PM

Hi Pete, I believe Jerry Burney said is is period thread when

I talked to him.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-14-2008, 01:04 PM

Bob, Pete...The thread is the only thing I questioned about this belt loop addition. It looks a little shiney and not like linen. It should be blacklighted. The extra loop looks like a period addition on an original holster. Very well done and much like it should be. The thread is the only thing I did question....
Jerry Burney

Pete Ebbink · 01-15-2008, 02:12 PM

Nick,

Here is a much more promising one on eBay :

http://cgi.ebay.com/WW1-German-Artil...QQcmdZViewItem

laoshi75 · 01-15-2008, 03:42 PM

Pete, yes and no...the seller sent me a photo of the closure strap..it seems to me very strange, even if it is "walz" stamped...

laoshi75 · 01-15-2008, 03:47 PM

this 1915 dated holster has a "walz" stamped closure strap...

laoshi75 · 01-15-2008, 03:49 PM

pic2

Pete Ebbink · 01-15-2008, 03:54 PM

Christian,

The metal of the stock iron on the eBay offering may have been re-blued at some time as well.

Don't you usually want to see "halo" on the stampings of the SN on the iron ? Also...very little rust/patina on the iron but lots of rust down in the slot of the screw.

01-13-2008, 06:35 PM	#1
nickn User Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 36 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	copy/fake rig on ebay EBAY ITEM 170185208176 am i right in thinking this is a 70`s copy of a persian rig made in pakistan?

01-13-2008, 08:24 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Pakistani goat hide special. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-13-2008, 10:01 PM	#8
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Belt Loop I have a minty 1914 dated and maker marked Artillery holster with a period added single belt loop added just below the mounting block. Bob

01-13-2008, 10:20 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Bob, Could you shoot me a photo of that? I have seen stock blocks swiveled to make a belt loop but never a seperate one below the stock block. Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-14-2008, 01:04 PM	#15
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Bob, Pete...The thread is the only thing I questioned about this belt loop addition. It looks a little shiney and not like linen. It should be blacklighted. The extra loop looks like a period addition on an original holster. Very well done and much like it should be. The thread is the only thing I did question.... Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-13-2008, 07:58 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Link to item Nick is discussing. BTW...the vertically sewn holster strap is never right on a legit piece... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1

01-13-2008, 08:43 PM	#4
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Vertical belt loops were period added to original artillery luger holsters but as Ron has stated this holster is not original WW1 era. Bob

01-13-2008, 09:04 PM	#5
grapppa User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NJ Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any time a seller adds Armor-all to their items - I run the other way!

01-13-2008, 09:47 PM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Holster's a Paki p-o-s and the stock is very questionable. Examine steel to wood fit.

01-13-2008, 09:51 PM	#7
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Bob, No disagreement...vertical belt loops can/have been added to authentic holsters. But not in this low position and not with the upper mounting-block still in place. The converted ones I have seen have the new vertical loops (usually two of them) added in the place where the mounting block has been removed.

01-13-2008, 10:15 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Bob, Would you post up a photo or two...? But I think George is right about this eBay offering...Paki...through and through...this one's mounting block is all wrong in shape and stitching...

01-13-2008, 11:04 PM	#11
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	I emailed 3 pictures to Jerry Burney of my 1914 Artillery holster with a single added belt loop .It also shows the leather button added to the flap for the closure strap. He has asked Ed to post them. Bob ADMIN, I need a class on teaching you ole dogs to post pictures. It isn't that hard

01-13-2008, 11:42 PM	#12
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 89 Times in 57 Posts	Jerry: The holster I have sent you to be restitched is like the one under discussion, only it is for a 4" Luger. Marked on back: Hans Romer. 1915. Gorgeous holster, not a rework, but has the same unusual configuration of straps on the back. Once you get it,pls tell me what you think. Have not seen another one like it.

01-14-2008, 11:44 AM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks, Bob... You do have a rare and unusual one there...thanks for taking the time to get your photos posted up. Can you tell us if the dark-colored stitching on the added belt-loop on your holster is period-correct thread or a more modern-day material ? Your holster cannot certainly be confused with the Paki-POS specimen that Nick asked about in his opening post.

01-14-2008, 12:47 PM	#14
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Hi Pete, I believe Jerry Burney said is is period thread when I talked to him.

01-15-2008, 02:12 PM	#16
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Nick, Here is a much more promising one on eBay : http://cgi.ebay.com/WW1-German-Artil...QQcmdZViewItem

01-15-2008, 03:42 PM	#17
laoshi75 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Thailand/France Posts: 490 Thanks: 288 Thanked 96 Times in 41 Posts	Pete, yes and no...the seller sent me a photo of the closure strap..it seems to me very strange, even if it is "walz" stamped... Attached Thumbnails

01-15-2008, 03:47 PM	#18
laoshi75 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Thailand/France Posts: 490 Thanks: 288 Thanked 96 Times in 41 Posts	walz stamp this 1915 dated holster has a "walz" stamped closure strap... Attached Thumbnails

01-15-2008, 03:49 PM	#19
laoshi75 User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Thailand/France Posts: 490 Thanks: 288 Thanked 96 Times in 41 Posts	original walz stamped closure strap pic2 Attached Thumbnails

01-15-2008, 03:54 PM	#20
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Christian, The metal of the stock iron on the eBay offering may have been re-blued at some time as well. Don't you usually want to see "halo" on the stampings of the SN on the iron ? Also...very little rust/patina on the iron but lots of rust down in the slot of the screw.