Need help identifying a true K/M luger!!

WW2collector · 08-17-2010, 01:42 AM

Gents, need a little help here. Questioning a 1940 Mauser 42 Baltic Sea Navy Rig

I'm looking at 42 code 1940 Kriegsmarine Luger. It has an "O" an and number and a front strap. It's mag is numbered to the weapon, but for some reason isn't a navy mag. The is no "Eagle/M" that I'm so used to seeing. Just want to make sure it's a genuine KM, before I start selling my WWII collection in order to afford this one piece....

1) Is that in normal that it's labeled on front,, not back strap - not to mention the non-existant E/M?,
and the non-KM marked MATCHING mag?

2) - What is this Luger rig worth?? Please take a look at the pics:

http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com...NaziNavy40.htm

Thanks!!

Edward Tinker · 08-17-2010, 03:24 AM

I assume that you have Jan Still's 3rd Reich Lugers?

Here is one link on Jan's board;

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=23075

Value depends on if you want to spend that much. There are some navy lugers out in the market right...

Jason L · 08-17-2010, 07:14 AM

Hi Gene,
Some questions......
Why is there an overstamp on the mag serial #?
Why don't they show a picture of the second mag bottom?
Where are the detail photos of the holster?....the holster is a very important part of this rig.
That is a lot of money, I would make sure everything is 100% correct!!!
Good Luck,
Jason

Norme · 08-17-2010, 09:32 AM

Hi Gene, The E/M was discontinued some time in 1935. Without singling out this particular seller, you should be aware that KM Lugers are a popular target for fakers, all it takes to add $1,000.00 to $2,000.00 in value are a few pantographed marks. Regards, Norm

Jack Lawman · 08-17-2010, 09:39 AM

Here's some old info you may find helpful:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...nvestment+arms

WW2collector · 08-17-2010, 10:26 AM

Gents, thank you for your help!

I'm new to KM Lugers, having collected several non-Luger KM pistols, along with a Black Widow, dont have the 3rd Reich Lugers book yet.will certainly purchase it soon enough!

Jack Lawman · 08-17-2010, 11:18 AM

Jan Still has completed a new edition of "3rd Reich Lugers". It is in final production (due out in a few months?). It will have new info and updates. Buying his books new is the most economical way to get them... unlike most other things!

Jack

WW2collector · 08-17-2010, 11:25 AM

Jack, thank you!

Edward Tinker · 08-17-2010, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Lawman

Jan Still has completed a new edition of "3rd Reich Lugers". It is in final production (due out in a few months?). It will have new info and updates. Buying his books new is the most economical way to get them... unlike most other things!

Jack

no, he said he is about 85% done with it, it will not be out for at least 6-8 months is my guess....

08-17-2010, 01:42 AM	#1
WW2collector User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NY State Posts: 24 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Need help identifying a true K/M luger!! Gents, need a little help here. Questioning a 1940 Mauser 42 Baltic Sea Navy Rig I'm looking at 42 code 1940 Kriegsmarine Luger. It has an "O" an and number and a front strap. It's mag is numbered to the weapon, but for some reason isn't a navy mag. The is no "Eagle/M" that I'm so used to seeing. Just want to make sure it's a genuine KM, before I start selling my WWII collection in order to afford this one piece.... 1) Is that in normal that it's labeled on front,, not back strap - not to mention the non-existant E/M?, and the non-KM marked MATCHING mag? 2) - What is this Luger rig worth?? Please take a look at the pics: http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com...NaziNavy40.htm Thanks!!

08-17-2010, 03:24 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I assume that you have Jan Still's 3rd Reich Lugers? Here is one link on Jan's board; http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=23075 Value depends on if you want to spend that much. There are some navy lugers out in the market right... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-17-2010, 09:39 AM	#5
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	Some old info Here's some old info you may find helpful: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...nvestment+arms __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

08-17-2010, 11:18 AM	#7
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	Jan Still has completed a new edition of "3rd Reich Lugers". It is in final production (due out in a few months?). It will have new info and updates. Buying his books new is the most economical way to get them... unlike most other things! Jack __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

08-17-2010, 07:14 AM	#3
Jason L User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CT. USA Posts: 66 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts	Hi Gene, Some questions...... Why is there an overstamp on the mag serial #? Why don't they show a picture of the second mag bottom? Where are the detail photos of the holster?....the holster is a very important part of this rig. That is a lot of money, I would make sure everything is 100% correct!!! Good Luck, Jason

08-17-2010, 09:32 AM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Gene, The E/M was discontinued some time in 1935. Without singling out this particular seller, you should be aware that KM Lugers are a popular target for fakers, all it takes to add $1,000.00 to $2,000.00 in value are a few pantographed marks. Regards, Norm

08-17-2010, 10:26 AM	#6
WW2collector User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NY State Posts: 24 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Gents, thank you for your help! I'm new to KM Lugers, having collected several non-Luger KM pistols, along with a Black Widow, dont have the 3rd Reich Lugers book yet.will certainly purchase it soon enough!

08-17-2010, 11:25 AM	#8
WW2collector User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NY State Posts: 24 Thanks: 5 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jack, thank you!