Obvious restoration?

Hugo Borchardt · 02-27-2012, 10:40 PM

I guess I'm still a rookie, but to me the pics seem to counter the story?

http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...emnum=10903285

Ron Wood · 02-28-2012, 12:46 AM

Sure, it is a rebuild. Can't call it a restoration since it never left DWM that way. Rebarreled to 7.65mm, Crown/N breechblock, LOADED extractor...all on a military gun. It is not, as they state, original blue, but it is a darned nice reblue.

LugerMan.com · 02-28-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hugo Borchardt

I guess I'm still a rookie, but to me the pics seem to counter the story?

http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...emnum=10903285

1918 is not original, it's a modern restamp.

LugerMan.com · 02-28-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Hugo Borchardt

I guess I'm still a rookie, but to me the pics seem to counter the story?

http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...emnum=10903285

oh, and grips are Italian repros.

The only good parts of the gun are LOAD extractor and nice nickel mag, that has a bad repro wood bottom on it, by the way.

Top price for this item is: $550-600

alanint · 02-28-2012, 10:06 AM

Agreed, the font and look of the date is wrong. The magazine's wooden base is also a home workshop item. Look at the extremely poor fit to the magazine's metal body.

ithacaartist · 02-28-2012, 03:09 PM

We noticed the misaligned witness marks and atypical lengthwise orientation of ser # on bbl. Thanks Eugene, for an explanation of why the grips fit so crappy. The checkering looks coarser than average, like Dutch?

saab-bob · 02-28-2012, 03:13 PM

Wow!
The knowledge of you gentlemen is amazing. You can pick up on the tells immediately. Remind me never to play poker with any of you!
Bob

LugerMan.com · 02-28-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

We noticed the misaligned witness marks and atypical lengthwise orientation of ser # on bbl. Thanks Eugene, for an explanation of why the grips fit so crappy. The checkering looks coarser than average, like Dutch?

Over the years I have seen so meany bad grips, i almost always have a copy of any bad set i see in my crap box.

same with this, they are Italian if the have two holes on the back, or Indian if they are more in to red color.

Wrong direction of the numbers on the barrel, can be from Finn or Swiss rework, and actually Kreghoff and I think Simpson did that as well.

But in this case the font of the numbers on the barrel is the same as an incorrect 1918 = modern numbers.

This gun is a project gun, that can be turned in to a Baby or Carbine, or just keep it as a shooter.
But the price for a it is max of $600, any more and you need to look away from the light ;0)

c3006 · 02-28-2012, 06:29 PM

I'm betting it goes over $1200. P T Barnum said it right.

alvin · 02-28-2012, 06:44 PM

For shooting fun in range, this one's ammo is not cheap. Probably bidders reload at home.

When the barrel was re-installed, why didn't the owner install a 9mm barrel on it? that's a mistake.

Hugo Borchardt · 02-28-2012, 10:02 PM

Thanks, gentlemen!

Touché, Ron! "Restoration" was a poor classification for this one!

whcoyote · 02-29-2012, 07:20 PM

Erfurt breech block.

Ron Wood · 02-29-2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by whcoyote

Erfurt breech block.

It has a Crown/N breechblock. How do you tell that it was originally Erfurt?

Also just noticed that it has a blank toggle. Some thngs elude me at first look. Really an odd mixture of parts and markings.

MFC · 03-01-2012, 01:21 AM

I thought you guys knew Lugers. It's clearly a "1918 Commercial Sneak"

02-27-2012, 10:40 PM	#1
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 340 Thanked 133 Times in 47 Posts	Obvious restoration? I guess I'm still a rookie, but to me the pics seem to counter the story? http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...emnum=10903285 __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

02-28-2012, 12:46 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Sure, it is a rebuild. Can't call it a restoration since it never left DWM that way. Rebarreled to 7.65mm, Crown/N breechblock, LOADED extractor...all on a military gun. It is not, as they state, original blue, but it is a darned nice reblue. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-28-2012, 03:13 PM	#7
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	Wow! The knowledge of you gentlemen is amazing. You can pick up on the tells immediately. Remind me never to play poker with any of you! Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

02-28-2012, 06:29 PM	#9
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	I'm betting it goes over $1200. P T Barnum said it right. __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

02-28-2012, 10:02 PM	#11
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 370 Thanks: 340 Thanked 133 Times in 47 Posts	Thanks, gentlemen! Touché, Ron! "Restoration" was a poor classification for this one! __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

02-28-2012, 10:06 AM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Agreed, the font and look of the date is wrong. The magazine's wooden base is also a home workshop item. Look at the extremely poor fit to the magazine's metal body.

02-28-2012, 03:09 PM	#6
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	We noticed the misaligned witness marks and atypical lengthwise orientation of ser # on bbl. Thanks Eugene, for an explanation of why the grips fit so crappy. The checkering looks coarser than average, like Dutch?

02-28-2012, 06:44 PM	#10
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	For shooting fun in range, this one's ammo is not cheap. Probably bidders reload at home. When the barrel was re-installed, why didn't the owner install a 9mm barrel on it? that's a mistake.

02-29-2012, 07:20 PM	#12
whcoyote User Join Date: May 2008 Location: SW Virginia Posts: 75 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	Erfurt breech block.

03-01-2012, 01:21 AM	#14
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	I thought you guys knew Lugers. It's clearly a "1918 Commercial Sneak" __________________ Mike C.