Crown over "B"

hayhugh · 10-26-2017, 12:53 PM

Any information on marking of a Crown over a "B" on Luger?

Kri 1942 · 10-28-2017, 03:56 AM

Luger DWM model 1908 commercial RG (Gendarmerie d' Alsace-Lorraine, around 1914)

hayhugh · 10-28-2017, 06:50 AM

Where can I find out more about this origination and their unique symbol?

Norme · 10-28-2017, 08:46 AM

Hi Hugh,
That C/B is not a unique symbol, it's one of the three B,U,G proofs.
You really should post a photo of the left side of that rare and desirable gun's receiver.
Norm

hayhugh · 10-28-2017, 09:38 AM

At your request:

Norme · 10-28-2017, 09:58 AM

Hi Hugh,
I'm sorry, I meant the left side of the frame, there should be an engraved R.G. inscription.
Regards, Norm

DonVoigt · 10-28-2017, 10:34 AM

That left side looks like a recent auction offering, if so- it was missing the RG inscription; likely removed when the sear safety was added.

That luger has been "around" the block, as it was still in service in 1932 when the sear safety was added, and likely long after!

Nice pistol.

hayhugh · 10-28-2017, 10:36 AM

NO "RG" photo to follow.........

sheepherder · 10-28-2017, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayhugh

At your request:

It looks like you have a rare and desirable intact magazine safety, as well as the Schiwy sear safety. It is a police Luger (or was) and the safeties don't really impact its value but do add to its collectibility.

Well, maybe add a little bit to its value...

We would all like to see more pics.

hayhugh · 10-28-2017, 11:08 AM

Couple more photos:

Norme · 10-28-2017, 11:31 AM

As someone once said:
Of all sad words of tongue or pen, saddest are these, "It might have been".

Dwight Gruber · 10-30-2017, 06:00 PM

To the original question, the two crown/Bs bear no resemblance to any known Luger marking.

--Dwight

hayhugh · 10-31-2017, 05:35 AM

Please go to following site and check out photos 10 and 12: http://www.tircollection.com/t29841-...ht=gendarmerie

Please note even the cleaning rod is marked with the Crown over B.

I admit I don't read or speak French but this is the best I have found on this gun so far... More photos to follow when I receive the gun... All opinions and information greatly appreciated, Hugh

sheepherder · 10-31-2017, 09:22 AM

Google speaks French...

Commercial Luger used by the German Imperial Army and the Reich Gendarmerie of Alsace-Lorraine.

https://translate.google.com/transla...rie&edit-text=

alanint · 10-31-2017, 10:49 AM

Here is what Norm was hoping to see.

hayhugh · 10-31-2017, 12:13 PM

Ya put's your money down and ya take's your chance! But what is the consensus now?

As someone once said: Maybe..

Norme · 10-31-2017, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayhugh

Ya put's your money down and ya take's your chance! But what is the consensus now?

As someone once said: Maybe..

We know what it was, but what is it now? That is the question. I know, I'll ask my new neighbor, a Buddhist, it'll give him something to meditate over, instead of complaining when I shoot squirrels.
Norm

hayhugh · 10-31-2017, 02:52 PM

When I get my grubby little hands on the gun in a few days, I will give it a full photo shoot and post photos here for all to peruse and comment on either pro or con. Thanks to all for comments up to now. Hugh

hayhugh · 11-04-2017, 12:55 PM

Photos did not come out too good but still more:

hayhugh · 11-04-2017, 04:23 PM

Few more with different background:

10-26-2017, 12:53 PM	#1
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Crown over "B" Any information on marking of a Crown over a "B" on Luger? Attached Thumbnails

10-28-2017, 09:38 AM	#5
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	At your request: Attached Thumbnails

10-28-2017, 10:34 AM	#7
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	That left side looks like a recent auction offering, if so- it was missing the RG inscription; likely removed when the sear safety was added. That luger has been "around" the block, as it was still in service in 1932 when the sear safety was added, and likely long after! Nice pistol. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

10-28-2017, 11:08 AM	#10
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Couple more photos: Attached Thumbnails

10-31-2017, 05:35 AM	#13
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Please go to following site and check out photos 10 and 12: http://www.tircollection.com/t29841-...ht=gendarmerie Please note even the cleaning rod is marked with the Crown over B. I admit I don't read or speak French but this is the best I have found on this gun so far... More photos to follow when I receive the gun... All opinions and information greatly appreciated, Hugh Last edited by hayhugh; 10-31-2017 at 06:16 AM. Reason: more info

10-28-2017, 03:56 AM	#2
Kri 1942 User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Europe Posts: 40 Thanks: 220 Thanked 68 Times in 22 Posts	Luger DWM model 1908 commercial RG (Gendarmerie d' Alsace-Lorraine, around 1914)

10-28-2017, 06:50 AM	#3
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Where can I find out more about this origination and their unique symbol?

10-28-2017, 08:46 AM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Hugh, That C/B is not a unique symbol, it's one of the three B,U,G proofs. You really should post a photo of the left side of that rare and desirable gun's receiver. Norm

10-28-2017, 09:58 AM	#6
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Hugh, I'm sorry, I meant the left side of the frame, there should be an engraved R.G. inscription. Regards, Norm

10-28-2017, 10:36 AM	#8
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	NO "RG" photo to follow.........

10-28-2017, 11:31 AM	#11
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	As someone once said: Of all sad words of tongue or pen, saddest are these, "It might have been".

10-30-2017, 06:00 PM	#12
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	To the original question, the two crown/Bs bear no resemblance to any known Luger marking. --Dwight

10-31-2017, 09:22 AM	#14
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Google speaks French... Commercial Luger used by the German Imperial Army and the Reich Gendarmerie of Alsace-Lorraine. https://translate.google.com/transla...rie&edit-text= __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

10-31-2017, 10:49 AM	#15
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Here is what Norm was hoping to see. Attached Thumbnails

10-31-2017, 12:13 PM	#16
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Ya put's your money down and ya take's your chance! But what is the consensus now? As someone once said: Maybe.. Last edited by hayhugh; 10-31-2017 at 12:18 PM. Reason: mor info

10-31-2017, 02:52 PM	#18
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	When I get my grubby little hands on the gun in a few days, I will give it a full photo shoot and post photos here for all to peruse and comment on either pro or con. Thanks to all for comments up to now. Hugh

11-04-2017, 12:55 PM	#19
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Photos did not come out too good but still more: Attached Thumbnails

11-04-2017, 04:23 PM	#20
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Few more with different background: Attached Thumbnails