Cheap Sight Adjustment tool and Holster Question?

Mills Bomb · 04-14-2018, 02:55 PM

1) Is there a source for a cheap repro sight adjustment tool? It will probably only be used once is why I am looking for cheap

2) Are the Artillery Luger holsters that SARCO sells made reasonably well?

Is the Winchester 124gr NATO ammo, Q4318, too hot for a 1917 Luger?

I haven't shot the pistol in a while and when I did I used the Winchester white box 115gr but haven't bought any in years and now my 9mm stock is all NATO spec 124gr.

rhuff · 04-14-2018, 03:14 PM

I believe that you will find that most/all of the folks on this forum will suggest that you use only std. velocity 115-124gr FMJ cartridges in your Luger.....i.e. WWB, S&B, PMC, etc.

ithacaartist · 04-15-2018, 02:59 AM

Nick, check eBay for a listing that bundles an Artillery sight adjusting tool with a pin punch. The seller is one avoided by many, but his price for this lot seems not too bad. If you're in a pinch and just need to use something once, get a hex drive snake-eye bit. Many comprehensive gunsmiths' screwdriver sets have them.

I can't say about the Sarco holsters because I've never seen one personally. On the website, they look pretty good to me, for the price.

The original P.08 used a 124 gr. truncated cone projectile, and your pistol should deal with it fine if it's the White Box.

Mills Bomb · 04-15-2018, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

The original P.08 used a 124 gr. truncated cone projectile, and your pistol should deal with it fine if it's the White Box.

The ammo:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/winch...ase-q4318.html

Sieger · 04-15-2018, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mills Bomb

The ammo:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/winch...ase-q4318.html

Hi,

The original German Military loading was a 123 grain bullet at 1,076 fps.

9mm NATO is a 121 grain bullet loaded almost 20% hotter at 1,260 fps.

To avoid damaging your Luger, you should avoid NATO strength ammo.

Standard velocity Winchester White Box (typically marked 9mm Luger or Parabellum)should work just fine for you.

Sieger

DavidJayUden · 04-15-2018, 09:44 AM

It has been rumored that in a pinch I have used 2 sharp nails clamped in the tip of a vice-grip tool to adjust the Artillery sights. But unless anyone has pictures to back up this baseless lie, I vehemently deny it...

dju

Mills Bomb · 04-15-2018, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

It has been rumored that in a pinch I have used 2 sharp nails clamped in the tip of a vice-grip tool to adjust the Artillery sights. But unless anyone has pictures to back up this baseless lie, I vehemently deny it...

dju

Years ago I used two pieces of what I was told was piano wire ( the wire used to make the darts for the blowguns advertised in the outdoor magazines in the 70s ) clamped in a vise-grip but was hoping for a cheap tool designed for the job.

I still have a couple of the darts from my youth and might have to go that route again.

Thanks to all for the replies

DonVoigt · 04-15-2018, 11:17 AM

I don't know what is "cheap", but I'll make and send you one for $40. PM me if interested.

Lugerdoc · 04-15-2018, 11:30 AM

Mills, I've found that the pins in the repro fine tune sight tools will pull out of shaft even with moderate pressure. I perfer one that I made by milling out the blade of a wide jeweler's screw driver. TH

ithacaartist · 04-15-2018, 12:40 PM

https://www.albanycountyfasteners.co...10110-0002.htm

Mills Bomb · 04-15-2018, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

https://www.albanycountyfasteners.co...10110-0002.htm

After going to your link I realized I had a set of bits that has those in it. Unfortunately, for some odd reason #6 has the thin pointy prongs that I need but the #4 is much wider.

I am going to order one of those and see how it works.

Thanks!!

Karl · 04-15-2018, 03:19 PM

Cheap Arty Sight Tool:
.17 Magnum Rimfire empty brass
Appropriately bent paper clip
J-B WELD epoxy

Sieger · 04-15-2018, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl

Cheap Arty Sight Tool:
.17 Magnum Rimfire empty brass
Appropriately bent paper clip
J-B WELD epoxy

Hi,

Absolutely brilliant!!!

Thanks!

Sieger

lugerholsterrepair · 04-15-2018, 04:27 PM

Couple of hours to put together..$15 an hour, Glue..couple of bucks. Cartridge case, found & free..paper clit too, Might get by for next to nothing but time! Ingenuity and improvization..gotta love it.

lugerholsterrepair · 04-16-2018, 07:38 PM

Miles, Yes of course..just a fat finger typo. Honest, I don't play with paper dolls...

Rick W. · 04-16-2018, 08:49 PM

Always good to see folks thinking and doing. Nice idea on the HMR.

Guess one could entertain using piano wire(?) and a bit of O-1 steel to make up an adjustment driver. Materials and labor (almost free) are cheap enough, but the machine support is fairly costly, at least once anyway. Lots of ways I reckon to approach any problem.

Odd thing about all of this, is that when I shot artilleries, I could not keep the teeth in the system, just bad luck on my part I guess; so did not worry a lot about adjusting much.

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Mills Bomb New User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Cheap Sight Adjustment tool and Holster Question? 1) Is there a source for a cheap repro sight adjustment tool? It will probably only be used once is why I am looking for cheap 2) Are the Artillery Luger holsters that SARCO sells made reasonably well? Is the Winchester 124gr NATO ammo, Q4318, too hot for a 1917 Luger? I haven't shot the pistol in a while and when I did I used the Winchester white box 115gr but haven't bought any in years and now my 9mm stock is all NATO spec 124gr. Last edited by Mills Bomb; 04-14-2018 at 09:09 PM. Reason: Subscribed

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rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	I believe that you will find that most/all of the folks on this forum will suggest that you use only std. velocity 115-124gr FMJ cartridges in your Luger.....i.e. WWB, S&B, PMC, etc. __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

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ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Nick, check eBay for a listing that bundles an Artillery sight adjusting tool with a pin punch. The seller is one avoided by many, but his price for this lot seems not too bad. If you're in a pinch and just need to use something once, get a hex drive snake-eye bit. Many comprehensive gunsmiths' screwdriver sets have them. I can't say about the Sarco holsters because I've never seen one personally. On the website, they look pretty good to me, for the price. The original P.08 used a 124 gr. truncated cone projectile, and your pistol should deal with it fine if it's the White Box. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	I don't know what is "cheap", but I'll make and send you one for $40. PM me if interested. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Mills, I've found that the pins in the repro fine tune sight tools will pull out of shaft even with moderate pressure. I perfer one that I made by milling out the blade of a wide jeweler's screw driver. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

04-15-2018, 09:44 AM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	It has been rumored that in a pinch I have used 2 sharp nails clamped in the tip of a vice-grip tool to adjust the Artillery sights. But unless anyone has pictures to back up this baseless lie, I vehemently deny it... dju

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ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	https://www.albanycountyfasteners.co...10110-0002.htm __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Couple of hours to put together..$15 an hour, Glue..couple of bucks. Cartridge case, found & free..paper clit too, Might get by for next to nothing but time! Ingenuity and improvization..gotta love it. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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04-16-2018, 08:49 PM	#16
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	Always good to see folks thinking and doing. Nice idea on the HMR. Guess one could entertain using piano wire(?) and a bit of O-1 steel to make up an adjustment driver. Materials and labor (almost free) are cheap enough, but the machine support is fairly costly, at least once anyway. Lots of ways I reckon to approach any problem. Odd thing about all of this, is that when I shot artilleries, I could not keep the teeth in the system, just bad luck on my part I guess; so did not worry a lot about adjusting much.