What do you suppose would happen to you

[spangy]

No charges for Edmonton police officer who fired service pistol at another officer: ASIRT

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...-officer-asirt

Laws for thee but not for me ??

Comments ???

[calibrator]

I could see him not being charged criminally. His suitability as a police officer however is another matter. Fired immediately, with a Black Flag in his record to warn any future employer of his instability. I certainly hope he was immediately tested for drugs/alcohol, even prescription meds that might impair his thinking.

[calibrator]

As a side note, ...

I'd also like further insight about he/she/xi. Affirmative action hire ??? Immigration status ??? You know, the things we aren't supposed to even think about these days. Canada IS quite "Progressive" after all.

[spangy]

Originally Posted by calibrator

I certainly hope he was immediately tested for drugs/alcohol, even prescription meds that might impair his thinking.

Good point calibrator. Today's prescription meds invariably have pronounced side affects that can alter our persona.

What offends me as a responsible lawful firearms owner is the fact that this co called professional police officer broke/ignored the basic tenets of firearm handling. A police officer should also be held to a higher standard IMO.

"Intentionally firing a gun at another person, or even in the presence of other persons in an enclosed room in these circumstances, could constitute any number of offences, from careless use of a firearm up to and including attempted murder.”

You would think he would at the very least be fired ya ??
However, while the Crown determined there was a reasonable likelihood of conviction, it believed it was not in the public interest to proceed with prosecution and the officer will not be charged.

So it's in the public interest to have an unstable, impulsive police officer on the street ???

I am the 'public' and had this incident involved me you can bet I would be charged with multiple offenses.

As for Canada being 'progressive' it seems the globalist agenda has invaded every country in the world USA included. The next 4 years are going to be 'interesting' to say the least.

Owner of largest online gun retailer reacts to website being 'yanked' offline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2Fwz7XAfzI

Don't get me started.

[Curly1]

At least he said he was "sorry"

[mrerick]

While the officer that discharged the firearm was clearly negligent, there are larger questions here.

There is a difference between live fire training at targets, and SIRT laser training. I have to ask, what exactly was any actual firearm or any live ammunition doing in the spaces and facility where SIRT training was in progress?

Whom ever is responsible for the training protocols and the facility itself are negligent in permitting any actual firearms or live ammunition, much less a firearm loaded with live ammunition, in a facility or space where this training was taking place.

I permit no live ammunition in the classroom facility where I teach. Period. Everyone inspected as they enter the building.

Officers that were aiming SIRT laser guns at each other outside of the actual training protocols were clearly negligent. Each of them should be sanctioned for this post-training activity. It created the context for this kind of negligent discharge.

The officer that mistakenly fired an actual firearm in this space is clearly not competent to carry firearms, much less carry them in public. That individual needs to be fired and prevented from police or security employment in the future.

[Edward Tinker]

This is a training accident? Whoever was in charge of ensuring no live weapons needs to be re-trained.

THAT is the way you train folks, not hold them to a higher standard and fire them.
How many years have you worked LE ?

[Eugen]

Not surprised that criminal charges were not filed for being a careless dumb arse.

Good points mentioned above about a systematic failure of live rounds finding their way into that training facility.

[lugerholsterrepair]

Venomous snake handlers, tiger collectors and firearms users among others should review training protocols and procedures on a more than regular basis. Law enforcement is certainly not immune from negligence or complacency not to leave out stupidity. Train hard and train often, classroom then practical application.



I agree with Ed..there is no better learning aid than recognizing the gravity or your error. then not making it again.

[grantman]

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Venomous snake handlers, tiger collectors and firearms users among others should review training protocols and procedures on a more than regular basis. Law enforcement is certainly not immune from negligence or complacency not to leave out stupidity. Train hard and train often, classroom then practical application.



I agree with Ed..there is no better learning aid than recognizing the gravity or your error. then not making it again.

I agree with Mssrs. Jerry & Ed. When i was on the job, we had an AD in the office during simulator training. Officer did not check his weapon (a .380 PPK/S) and training officer didn't, either. Result: .380 round through TV screen. Officer was counseled but not removed. Safety protocols needed revision.....r

[MikeP]

No such thing as an AD.
Only ND.
We had a police training academy here.
Trainee gutshot her roomy cleaning her pistol.
A cop threw his gear onto his bed at home. His piece discharged and killed his stepson in the next room.
Friend in VN died when a fool with a shotgun let one go.
The list goes on. Neglegence being the keyword.

[spangy]

THE VITAL FOUR ACTS OF FIREARMS SAFETY

ACTS

Assume every firearm is loaded.
Control the muzzle direction at all times.
Trigger finger must be kept off the trigger and out of the trigger guard.
SEE that the firearm is unloaded - PROVE it safe.

PROVE

Point the firearm in the safest available direction.
Remove all cartridges.
Observe the chamber.
Verify the feeding path.
Examine the bore.

[Kiwi]

If the firearm leaves your hand for a second

Treat it as a different firearm - It IS loaded

[mrerick]

The principles are similar to what we teach in NRA Basic Pistol, and review in subsequent tactical couses.

Here's the webpage with fancy graphics...
https://gunsafetyrules.nra.org/

Note that this applies to everyone: Civilian, Military, Police, Private Guard, your aunt Martha...

It's pretty basic, but you just gotta do them EVERY SINGLE TIME you handle a firearm.

That and when storing a firearm, never store it loaded. If you have a gun for home defense, it's kept loaded and is not being "stored" - and that firearm should have it's access somehow controlled. I use pushbutton safes for home emergency defense handguns.

In training, we check students as they walk into the building, and show each other that firearms are unloaded every single time we handle them in class. Simunition training requires special protocols, especially because you're intentionally pointing firearms at targets that might be people.

[spangy]

Every now and then I review our excellent database of posts.
Today I thought I would respond to one of my old posts to get it back onto the 'new posts' pile.
The responses were excellent and a reminder of how important it is to be 'gun aware'
Enjoy

[mrerick]

No question that safety and responsibility have to be absolute priorities in gun handling. This poster was published during WW-II because of the number of negligent discharges that happened.

Everyone handling Luger pistols should realize that the receiver/barrel assembly with the toggle train installed is, in fact, a complete functional firearm.

The English translation is: "Remember there is danger here!"