Luger of Unknown Origin

Hotajax · 06-17-2021, 11:15 AM

There's a 4-digit serial number on the barrel where the barrel threads into frame. On the frame there's a 5-digit number just below where the barrel joins the frame. These two numbers do not match, not even close.

There's a 2-digit number just above the trigger guard on the left side of the frame, on the takedown lever. This 2-digit number above the trigger guard is the same as the last two digits of the serial number on the frame.

There's a 2-digit number just below the rear sight. This 2-digit number is the same as the last 2 digits of the barrel number.

It's not in such great shape, missing a lot of blue. With the non-matching numbers of the barrel and frame, is this gun worth checking out further? My gut tells me it's a closet queen.

DWM, made in Germany, and a few stampings of a capital N with a crown above the N. Thanks for any pointers, I prefer not to post pics as a precaution.

Mac Cat · 06-17-2021, 01:01 PM

Why are you afraid to post photos ?

Doubs · 06-17-2021, 01:09 PM

Without pictures no one can tell you much more than it's a parts gun made from at least two different Lugers. The 5 digit serial number frame was made no later than 1921 and the upper may or may not be from a commercial Luger depending upon location of the Crown/N stamps.

Only pictures will allow us to give you good answers.

ithacaartist · 06-18-2021, 02:53 PM

Similar to phobia about showing serial numbers... No real-world implications or risk that I can think of...

Hotajax · 06-18-2021, 03:46 PM

I have a phobia for showing s/n's on the net. The young gent said it best - a parts gun. No major collector value.

Hotajax · 06-18-2021, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mac Cat

Why are you afraid to post photos ?

"Afraid" is sort of overdone. Let's call it cautious.

Hotajax · 06-18-2021, 03:51 PM

xx

lugerholsterrepair · 06-18-2021, 04:14 PM

FEAR is a DISABLER. But if it's not your pistol you must respect the owners wishes. If it's your pistol you have gotten most of the info you are likely to get without photo's.

Doubs · 06-18-2021, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotajax

The young gent said it best - a parts gun.

Thank you, Sir. I appreciate being called a "young gent" even though the picture was taken in 1967.

Hotajax · 06-18-2021, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Doubs

Thank you, Sir. I appreciate being called a "young gent" even though the picture was taken in 1967.

Doubs, you should be proud. You looked young enough to be challenged over your age if you try to get in to the on-base club. I appreciate your honesty in calling it a "parts" gun. I'm guessing that on a Luger, the frame, toggle, and barrel should all have matching numbers. Is this correct? Thanks in advance.

Hotajax · 06-18-2021, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

FEAR is a DISABLER. But if it's not your pistol you must respect the owners wishes. If it's your pistol you have gotten most of the info you are likely to get without photo's.

Jerry, I completely understand. Thanks for your forthrightness. As to why I don't want to post pics, ownership is not the issue. And enjoy the MLB All-Star game.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-18-2021, 06:48 PM

And enjoy the MLB All-Star game. Sorry but all the "woke" sports are dead to me. I threw out my TV over ten years ago. Now I have a LOT of spare time to play with my 4 cats.

Doubs · 06-18-2021, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotajax

Doubs, you should be proud. You looked young enough to be challenged over your age if you try to get in to the on-base club. I appreciate your honesty in calling it a "parts" gun. I'm guessing that on a Luger, the frame, toggle, and barrel should all have matching numbers. Is this correct? Thanks in advance.

I was 24 when that was taken and married not long after. Still married to the same woman after nearly 54 years.

As the Luger left the factory, it would have had all matching numbers. At some point in time, yours was repaired or put together using parts from different guns. The goal was a working Luger and regardless of different numbered parts, if it works correctly it's a useful tool for the owner. Collectors will consider yours a "shooter" and place a lower value on it than one with all matching numbers. But, it's still a Luger.

JTD · 06-20-2021, 10:18 PM

I sure hope they do not eat Hummingbirds Jerry!!!! You should count them daily to make sure none are missing

lugerholsterrepair · 06-20-2021, 10:57 PM

John, They sure would if they could! Our 4 are house cats...we don't let em loose on the ranch. They would kill lots of things and lots of things would kill them. So it's best to confine them to quarters. It's a harsh life in the high mountains of Colorado. No sense letting 4 trained killers loose too.

2 years ago I saw a mountain lion take a full grown doe not far from my East porch. All sorts of various critturs in the food chain. But yeah I count em every day, still got 4. OH! You may mean hummers..Too busy filling feeders to count em. 650 pounds of sugar I have to come up with every summer. 12 quart feeders we fill twice a day at the height of the season. Keeps us hoppin.

lugerholsterrepair · 06-21-2021, 10:18 PM

I LOVE cats! They taste like chicken...

STEINBVG · 06-21-2021, 10:27 PM

This thread becomes more and more surreal…

lugerholsterrepair · 06-21-2021, 10:34 PM

Well, We have to do something waiting for pictures from the OP.

STEINBVG · 06-21-2021, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Well, We have to do something waiting for pictures from the OP.

Let’s hijack the thread and post our own…

jeb111 · 06-22-2021, 12:14 AM

Jerry your not afraid of attracting bears with all that sugar water? In my neck of the Rockies the Grizzlies would be having a jamboree. I know it's off topic but while we wait the neighbor spotted a lion the other week and told me he was concerned for the neighbor children, I said the kids would be okay but the other neighbor has a bunch of goats that the cat was far more interested in I'm sure. No pics yet?
Jim

06-17-2021, 11:15 AM	#1
Hotajax User Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 24 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Luger of Unknown Origin There's a 4-digit serial number on the barrel where the barrel threads into frame. On the frame there's a 5-digit number just below where the barrel joins the frame. These two numbers do not match, not even close. There's a 2-digit number just above the trigger guard on the left side of the frame, on the takedown lever. This 2-digit number above the trigger guard is the same as the last two digits of the serial number on the frame. There's a 2-digit number just below the rear sight. This 2-digit number is the same as the last 2 digits of the barrel number. It's not in such great shape, missing a lot of blue. With the non-matching numbers of the barrel and frame, is this gun worth checking out further? My gut tells me it's a closet queen. DWM, made in Germany, and a few stampings of a capital N with a crown above the N. Thanks for any pointers, I prefer not to post pics as a precaution. Last edited by Hotajax; 06-17-2021 at 11:23 AM. Reason: Add more info

06-18-2021, 02:53 PM	#4
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Similar to phobia about showing serial numbers... No real-world implications or risk that I can think of... __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

06-18-2021, 03:46 PM	#5
Hotajax User Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 24 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Dead on The Money I have a phobia for showing s/n's on the net. The young gent said it best - a parts gun. No major collector value.

06-18-2021, 04:14 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	FEAR is a DISABLER. But if it's not your pistol you must respect the owners wishes. If it's your pistol you have gotten most of the info you are likely to get without photo's. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-18-2021, 06:48 PM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	And enjoy the MLB All-Star game. Sorry but all the "woke" sports are dead to me. I threw out my TV over ten years ago. Now I have a LOT of spare time to play with my 4 cats. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-17-2021, 01:01 PM	#2
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 733 Thanks: 2,100 Thanked 610 Times in 329 Posts	Why are you afraid to post photos ?

06-17-2021, 01:09 PM	#3
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,692 Times in 555 Posts	Without pictures no one can tell you much more than it's a parts gun made from at least two different Lugers. The 5 digit serial number frame was made no later than 1921 and the upper may or may not be from a commercial Luger depending upon location of the Crown/N stamps. Only pictures will allow us to give you good answers.

06-18-2021, 03:51 PM	#7
Hotajax User Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 24 Thanks: 4 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	xx

06-20-2021, 10:18 PM	#14
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	I sure hope they do not eat Hummingbirds Jerry!!!! You should count them daily to make sure none are missing

06-20-2021, 10:57 PM	#15
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	John, They sure would if they could! Our 4 are house cats...we don't let em loose on the ranch. They would kill lots of things and lots of things would kill them. So it's best to confine them to quarters. It's a harsh life in the high mountains of Colorado. No sense letting 4 trained killers loose too. 2 years ago I saw a mountain lion take a full grown doe not far from my East porch. All sorts of various critturs in the food chain. But yeah I count em every day, still got 4. OH! You may mean hummers..Too busy filling feeders to count em. 650 pounds of sugar I have to come up with every summer. 12 quart feeders we fill twice a day at the height of the season. Keeps us hoppin. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-21-2021, 10:18 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	I LOVE cats! They taste like chicken... __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-21-2021, 10:27 PM	#17
STEINBVG User Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: NEW JERSEY Posts: 143 Thanks: 117 Thanked 176 Times in 70 Posts	This thread becomes more and more surreal… __________________ Happy to have found the Gevarm and Voere.

06-21-2021, 10:34 PM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Well, We have to do something waiting for pictures from the OP. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

06-22-2021, 12:14 AM	#20
jeb111 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: May 2018 Location: wyoming Posts: 277 Thanks: 712 Thanked 331 Times in 133 Posts	Jerry your not afraid of attracting bears with all that sugar water? In my neck of the Rockies the Grizzlies would be having a jamboree. I know it's off topic but while we wait the neighbor spotted a lion the other week and told me he was concerned for the neighbor children, I said the kids would be okay but the other neighbor has a bunch of goats that the cat was far more interested in I'm sure. No pics yet? Jim