Round Marks on 1942 byf Luger

Fred Patterson · 01-14-2024, 08:09 PM

I remember reading about these but don’t remember where. Can someone tell me the significance of these marks? THANKS!

Fred Patterson · 01-14-2024, 08:10 PM

Struggling to add photos.

Edward Tinker · 01-14-2024, 09:32 PM

welcome to the forum!
You should be able to upload right to the forum, there will be a pop-up and then you upload the photos.
Ed

Edward Tinker · 01-16-2024, 11:30 PM

Here are Fred's pictures

Peter S · 01-17-2024, 12:09 AM

those are tooling marks left from machining the recess.

velodog455~ · 01-17-2024, 09:40 AM

Agreed. Most likely from an end-mill cutter.

Eugen · 01-17-2024, 11:42 AM

Fritz, the Mauser machinist, had a bit too much beer the night before and got a little sloppy with his work. Me thinks.

Fred Patterson · 01-17-2024, 08:41 PM

Thanks to all for chiming in, and especially to Ed for helping with my photos. I recently acquired this BW and this was the biggest question about the Luger.

On a side note, I’m wondering if there is a Recovery Group for Luger addicts? I wanted ONE (1) Luger. I’m now at 8. I’m going to the po’ house … but I’m going well-armed! ��

sdmark777 · 01-17-2024, 09:01 PM

As Gunbugs once posted, something close to: "We don't seek a cure, just control". Welcome to the addiction.

Peter S · 01-17-2024, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugen

Fritz, the Mauser machinist, had a bit too much beer the night before and got a little sloppy with his work. Me thinks.

Sloppy work isn't the cause....it's the condition of the cutting tool and how sharp it is.

Tooling marks can also be seen on this C96.

spangy · 01-18-2024, 03:36 AM

velodog455~ is correct the marks are from an end mill machining process.
Luger's that have them have not gone through the final finishing stage ... this was due to war time manufacturing where the finish of the gun was less important than getting the gun to the soldiers @ the front.

I have never seen these milling marks on commercial Luger's but its possible.

As for your 'addiction' just be thankful you aren't addicted to collecting teaspoons or beer cans etc,

Fred Patterson · 01-18-2024, 07:04 AM

Well … yeah. There is that!
I feel much better now!

Fred Patterson · 01-30-2024, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Here’s

the rest of the’42 byf.

big open · 02-28-2024, 01:10 PM

Fred
You have a beautiful 42 byf luger there. I have a byf 42 as well with a little more original bluing on mine. Mine has the wooden grip panels that match the number on the gun. If you would like to see some photos let me know.

jamese · 03-14-2024, 07:02 AM

all of the above info is true concerning the "END MILL" cutting tool, however those marks appear to me to be caused by the "END MILL" flexing as it cuts the material, which usually results from the speed of the bit as it though the material in relation to the speed in which the bit is turning.

even a sharp bit being pushed through the material faster than the bit can cut will result in the bit flexing leaving gouge marks deeper than the level that the bit is set at.

just my 2 cents

01-14-2024, 08:09 PM	#1
Fred Patterson User Join Date: Sep 2023 Posts: 28 Thanks: 12 Thanked 45 Times in 13 Posts	Round Marks on 1942 byf Luger I remember reading about these but don’t remember where. Can someone tell me the significance of these marks? THANKS!

01-14-2024, 09:32 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	welcome to the forum! You should be able to upload right to the forum, there will be a pop-up and then you upload the photos. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-16-2024, 11:30 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Here are Fred's pictures Attached Thumbnails

01-17-2024, 12:09 AM	#5
Peter S User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 37 Thanks: 16 Thanked 37 Times in 16 Posts	those are tooling marks left from machining the recess. __________________ -Peter

01-17-2024, 11:42 AM	#7
Eugen User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Newburgh,IN Posts: 790 Thanks: 394 Thanked 631 Times in 334 Posts	Fritz, the Mauser machinist, had a bit too much beer the night before and got a little sloppy with his work. Me thinks. __________________ “God created war so that Americans would learn geography.” ― Mark Twain

01-14-2024, 08:10 PM	#2
Fred Patterson User Join Date: Sep 2023 Posts: 28 Thanks: 12 Thanked 45 Times in 13 Posts	Struggling to add photos.

01-17-2024, 09:40 AM	#6
velodog455~ User Join Date: Aug 2023 Posts: 76 Thanks: 18 Thanked 58 Times in 35 Posts	Agreed. Most likely from an end-mill cutter.

01-17-2024, 08:41 PM	#8
Fred Patterson User Join Date: Sep 2023 Posts: 28 Thanks: 12 Thanked 45 Times in 13 Posts	Thanks to all for chiming in, and especially to Ed for helping with my photos. I recently acquired this BW and this was the biggest question about the Luger. On a side note, I’m wondering if there is a Recovery Group for Luger addicts? I wanted ONE (1) Luger. I’m now at 8. I’m going to the po’ house … but I’m going well-armed! ��

01-17-2024, 09:01 PM	#9
sdmark777 User Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 288 Thanks: 695 Thanked 672 Times in 174 Posts	As Gunbugs once posted, something close to: "We don't seek a cure, just control". Welcome to the addiction.

01-18-2024, 03:36 AM	#11
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 617 Thanks: 3,065 Thanked 1,057 Times in 429 Posts	velodog455~ is correct the marks are from an end mill machining process. Luger's that have them have not gone through the final finishing stage ... this was due to war time manufacturing where the finish of the gun was less important than getting the gun to the soldiers @ the front. I have never seen these milling marks on commercial Luger's but its possible. As for your 'addiction' just be thankful you aren't addicted to collecting teaspoons or beer cans etc, __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

01-18-2024, 07:04 AM	#12
Fred Patterson User Join Date: Sep 2023 Posts: 28 Thanks: 12 Thanked 45 Times in 13 Posts	Well … yeah. There is that! I feel much better now!

02-28-2024, 01:10 PM	#14
big open Banned Join Date: Feb 2024 Location: northwest Montana in a remote area. Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 66 Times in 27 Posts	Fred You have a beautiful 42 byf luger there. I have a byf 42 as well with a little more original bluing on mine. Mine has the wooden grip panels that match the number on the gun. If you would like to see some photos let me know.

03-14-2024, 07:02 AM	#15
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 789 Thanks: 0 Thanked 84 Times in 34 Posts	all of the above info is true concerning the "END MILL" cutting tool, however those marks appear to me to be caused by the "END MILL" flexing as it cuts the material, which usually results from the speed of the bit as it though the material in relation to the speed in which the bit is turning. even a sharp bit being pushed through the material faster than the bit can cut will result in the bit flexing leaving gouge marks deeper than the level that the bit is set at. just my 2 cents __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception