.45 Luger Carbine comparisons

Roadkill · 10-03-2003, 10:41 PM

That's right, there is an "s" there. Toggle markings sure aren't the same. Are there two ?

http://www.ifrance.com/littlegun/lug...ge%20luger.htm

http://gmund.rennlist.com/luger/20.jpg

Is this also another .45 Luger?

rk

Johnny C. Kitchens · 10-03-2003, 10:59 PM

I took a close look at the .45 Luger on the French site. Take a close look at the safety where it blocks the sear bar. Seems a bit odd shaped and not fitting so well. Then again, I've not had a chance to examine a .45 Luger really close, so maybe all of them are this way...

drbuster · 10-04-2003, 12:48 AM

Looks like one of Mike Krause's masterpieces.

John Sabato · 10-06-2003, 12:38 PM

The left side view of the handgun alone is without question a photo of one of Mike Krause's guns because I have the same exact photo in my archive...that was captioned as one of his...

Having said that... I believe that the other photos are probably of the carbine in Ralph Shattuck's collection... but the photo quality is so poor that no comparison to known photos of this carbine are possible...

I doubt that either of these guns is in France... these are just some photos that somebody wanted to post on this website...

anyway that is my

so spend it wisely

Ron Wood · 10-06-2003, 10:50 PM

The carbine is not a .45, it is a 1902 that is mislabeled.

I think that John is correct that the side view is one of Mike Krause's guns. The sear bar safety is also at an odd angle on the original #2 .45 formerly in the Aberman collection and on the Krause reproductions. Supposedly in order to speed up delivery of the .45 for the US trials, a grip safety from a 1902 was used on the .45, so the angle did not match up with the relief on the sear bar. However, in this photo, in addition to the intentional difference in angles, the gap between the sear block and the sear cut is much more pronounced than either the Aberman gun or my Krause .45, so I don't know what is going on there.

John Sabato · 10-07-2003, 08:48 AM

Thanks for the confirmation Ron... now about that large format photo essay of YOUR .45 caliber Krause Luger for the Member Gallery... that was going to be done when????

Ron Wood · 10-07-2003, 12:35 PM

John,

Taking quality photos of any of my collection is on hold indefinitely. Until my new house is built, I am living in a small apartment and I have to shoot everything hand held (most of my stuff is in storage), which usually requires throwing out more than half of the shots as unacceptable. I really don't have any place to properly set up good lighting and positioning. Even good natural light is difficult because of the layout of the apartment complex. Unfortunately, at the rate things are progressing on the house, I will be lucky to be in it by next March or April.

John Sabato · 10-07-2003, 04:31 PM

I suppose we will have to wait then... by all means get the house up so your guns will be protected from the elements!

Thanks Ron...

John D. · 10-08-2003, 10:25 AM

Hi Ron,

If it helps, please feel free to ship your collection to me, and I'd be thrilled to shoot them for you (of course, I mean shoot pictures - maybe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ) I should be able to finish up by next March or April... BTW: Any brand of ammo your .45 Luger especially likes??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Ron Wood · 10-08-2003, 01:05 PM

John D.
I ran a few rounds of DWM ammo through the .45 Luger and they seemed to work pretty well. If you have a couple of extra boxes of those, I wouldn't mind picking them up from you just to have a few on hand.

10-03-2003, 10:41 PM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	.45 Luger Carbine comparisons That's right, there is an "s" there. Toggle markings sure aren't the same. Are there two ? http://www.ifrance.com/littlegun/lug...ge%20luger.htm http://gmund.rennlist.com/luger/20.jpg Is this also another .45 Luger? rk

10-06-2003, 12:38 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	The left side view of the handgun alone is without question a photo of one of Mike Krause's guns because I have the same exact photo in my archive...that was captioned as one of his... Having said that... I believe that the other photos are probably of the carbine in Ralph Shattuck's collection... but the photo quality is so poor that no comparison to known photos of this carbine are possible... I doubt that either of these guns is in France... these are just some photos that somebody wanted to post on this website... anyway that is my so spend it wisely __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-06-2003, 10:50 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	The carbine is not a .45, it is a 1902 that is mislabeled. I think that John is correct that the side view is one of Mike Krause's guns. The sear bar safety is also at an odd angle on the original #2 .45 formerly in the Aberman collection and on the Krause reproductions. Supposedly in order to speed up delivery of the .45 for the US trials, a grip safety from a 1902 was used on the .45, so the angle did not match up with the relief on the sear bar. However, in this photo, in addition to the intentional difference in angles, the gap between the sear block and the sear cut is much more pronounced than either the Aberman gun or my Krause .45, so I don't know what is going on there. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-07-2003, 08:48 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Thanks for the confirmation Ron... now about that large format photo essay of YOUR .45 caliber Krause Luger for the Member Gallery... that was going to be done when???? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-07-2003, 12:35 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	John, Taking quality photos of any of my collection is on hold indefinitely. Until my new house is built, I am living in a small apartment and I have to shoot everything hand held (most of my stuff is in storage), which usually requires throwing out more than half of the shots as unacceptable. I really don't have any place to properly set up good lighting and positioning. Even good natural light is difficult because of the layout of the apartment complex. Unfortunately, at the rate things are progressing on the house, I will be lucky to be in it by next March or April. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-03-2003, 10:59 PM	#2
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	I took a close look at the .45 Luger on the French site. Take a close look at the safety where it blocks the sear bar. Seems a bit odd shaped and not fitting so well. Then again, I've not had a chance to examine a .45 Luger really close, so maybe all of them are this way... __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

10-04-2003, 12:48 AM	#3
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Looks like one of Mike Krause's masterpieces.

10-07-2003, 04:31 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I suppose we will have to wait then... by all means get the house up so your guns will be protected from the elements! Thanks Ron... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-08-2003, 10:25 AM	#9
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hi Ron, If it helps, please feel free to ship your collection to me, and I'd be thrilled to shoot them for you (of course, I mean shoot pictures - maybe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ) I should be able to finish up by next March or April... BTW: Any brand of ammo your .45 Luger especially likes??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

10-08-2003, 01:05 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	John D. I ran a few rounds of DWM ammo through the .45 Luger and they seemed to work pretty well. If you have a couple of extra boxes of those, I wouldn't mind picking them up from you just to have a few on hand. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction