Are There Holes In Both Carbine Stocks - Page 2

cirelaw · 05-31-2021, 08:08 PM

I can provide diameter and size and depth.right back!

cirelaw · 05-31-2021, 08:17 PM

three equal holes, one half inch diameter and six inches deep! All Identical!

Mark1 · 05-31-2021, 08:27 PM

Hi Eric,
I'm not sure if this is the reason for the holes in the Luger carbine stocks, but many competition shotguns have a similar butt stock arrangement. The purpose is for the addition of lead or tungsten weights to enable the gun to be balanced to the shooters taste.
Mark

cirelaw · 05-31-2021, 09:03 PM

NEVER!!!! No luger stock were ever weighted~ It worked well in 1902 why not in 1920, The stock was only to STEADY, needed by the German Kaiser Wilhelm to hunt~Using only One Hand~Due to deformed left arm! Its written he was very accurate hunting deer and wild boars!

cirelaw · 05-31-2021, 09:29 PM

A Site I Tripped Over While Grazing For Carbines http://www.historic-firearms.com/artillery-luger.html History

Kiwi · 06-01-2021, 09:06 AM

Nice theory but ignores the C96 which predated it, having a shoulder stock

cirelaw · 06-01-2021, 10:04 AM

Shoulder stocks aren''t the issue, The kaiser needed it to steady his aim. The holes may have been made to lighten his stock and more accurate his aim! But why was it not incorporated in every carbine there after! None of my German rifles have them including Mauser Sportsmodel 22 Hitler Youth Trainer~I Myself removed the butt plate and checked~

cirelaw · 06-01-2021, 10:20 AM

Totally different the purpose to store the gun!!! Much different from 3 small half inch holes!

cirelaw · 06-01-2021, 11:10 AM

Top 1920, bottom 1902~

ithacaartist · 06-02-2021, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

I can provide diameter and size and depth.right back!

Unless I messed up the mathematicss, all 3 holes would total about 1 1/3 ounces.

cirelaw · 06-02-2021, 07:04 PM

iI agree but to a one armed man I guess every ounce counts! BUT why are they there? Two purposes to hold on to the stock during fabrication or what else?? Germam have a reason for everything! Ask My Grandpa Bruning

cirelaw · 06-02-2021, 08:47 PM

A LONG ARTICLE BUT CONFIRM 'THREE WEIGHT REDUCTION HOLES', CONTAINED IN THE END OF ARTICLE, Land Of Borchardt Chilean Carbines, Having "Three Weight Reduction Holes" https://www.landofborchardt.com/1000...an.html#images

Ron Wood · 06-02-2021, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

A LONG ARTICLE BUT CONFIRM 'THREE WEIGHT REDUCTION HOLES', CONTAINED IN THE END OF ARTICLE, Land Of Borchardt Chilean Carbines, Having "Three Weight Reduction Holes" https://www.landofborchardt.com/1000...an.html#images

While Charles Whittaker's Land of Borchardt article is detailed and well written (as his stuff invariably is) his conclusions are based on empirical evidence and conjecture, not documentation. So his assertion that the holes are for weight reduction is precisely as valid as the what has been being posted here!
Ron

G.T. · 06-02-2021, 11:18 PM

I'm sure it was a solution to a problem? It may have reduced cracks or checking, or possibly as a mounting fixture location, or as most seem to agree, just lightening up the whole unit...

... best, til...lat'r....GT

cirelaw · 06-03-2021, 12:19 AM

Maybe We Will Never Know For Sure! I Still Love Them And All Of You!! Thank You For All Of Your Interest!!! Discussion Closed Please~ TKS Eric

05-31-2021, 08:17 PM	#22
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	three equal holes, one half inch diameter and six inches deep! All Identical! Attached Images

05-31-2021, 09:03 PM	#24
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	NEVER!!!! No luger stock were ever weighted~ It worked well in 1902 why not in 1920, The stock was only to STEADY, needed by the German Kaiser Wilhelm to hunt~Using only One Hand~Due to deformed left arm! Its written he was very accurate hunting deer and wild boars! Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

05-31-2021, 09:29 PM	#25
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	A Site I Tripped Over While Grazing For Carbines http://www.historic-firearms.com/artillery-luger.html History Attached Thumbnails

06-01-2021, 10:04 AM	#27
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Shoulder stocks aren''t the issue, The kaiser needed it to steady his aim. The holes may have been made to lighten his stock and more accurate his aim! But why was it not incorporated in every carbine there after! None of my German rifles have them including Mauser Sportsmodel 22 Hitler Youth Trainer~I Myself removed the butt plate and checked~ Attached Thumbnails

06-01-2021, 10:20 AM	#28
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Totally different the purpose to store the gun!!! Much different from 3 small half inch holes! Attached Images

05-31-2021, 08:08 PM	#21
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I can provide diameter and size and depth.right back!

05-31-2021, 08:27 PM	#23
Mark1 User Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 72 Thanks: 332 Thanked 74 Times in 25 Posts	Hi Eric, I'm not sure if this is the reason for the holes in the Luger carbine stocks, but many competition shotguns have a similar butt stock arrangement. The purpose is for the addition of lead or tungsten weights to enable the gun to be balanced to the shooters taste. Mark

06-01-2021, 09:06 AM	#26
Kiwi User Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Wrong side of the Delaware river Posts: 309 Thanks: 216 Thanked 436 Times in 173 Posts	Nice theory but ignores the C96 which predated it, having a shoulder stock

06-01-2021, 11:10 AM	#29
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Top 1920, bottom 1902~ Attached Thumbnails

06-02-2021, 07:04 PM	#31
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	iI agree but to a one armed man I guess every ounce counts! BUT why are they there? Two purposes to hold on to the stock during fabrication or what else?? Germam have a reason for everything! Ask My Grandpa Bruning Attached Thumbnails

06-02-2021, 08:47 PM	#32
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	A LONG ARTICLE BUT CONFIRM 'THREE WEIGHT REDUCTION HOLES', CONTAINED IN THE END OF ARTICLE, Land Of Borchardt Chilean Carbines, Having "Three Weight Reduction Holes" https://www.landofborchardt.com/1000...an.html#images Attached Thumbnails

06-02-2021, 11:18 PM	#34
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,507 Thanks: 1,318 Thanked 3,653 Times in 1,004 Posts	It might have been learned? I'm sure it was a solution to a problem? It may have reduced cracks or checking, or possibly as a mounting fixture location, or as most seem to agree, just lightening up the whole unit... ... best, til...lat'r....GT

06-03-2021, 12:19 AM	#35
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Maybe We Will Never Know For Sure! I Still Love Them And All Of You!! Thank You For All Of Your Interest!!! Discussion Closed Please~ TKS Eric

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