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Navy · 02-09-2006, 01:03 PM

OVERSIGHT HEARING SET ON
BATFE ABUSE AT RICHMOND, VA GUN SHOWS

On February 15, the U.S. House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security will hold an oversight hearing to investigate apparent wrongdoing by BATFE at a Richmond, VA gun show last August.

In 2004-05, a troubling pattern emerged at a number of Richmond, VA-area gun shows, where hundreds of BATFE agents and state and local police staked out local shows. Immediately upon learning of these incidents, NRA began investigating and working to ensure congressional oversight hearings would be held to determine any wrongdoing and ensure BATFE was not overstepping its bounds or violating the law.

BATFE agents copied lawful gun purchase transaction records and provided this information to local police officers, who in turn conducted "residency checks." Federal law prohibits the release of this information except to state and local police to identify prohibited purchasers or recipients of guns. The information provided to local police prompted multiple instances of officers showing up at the homes of those who lawfully purchased firearms from licensed dealers at area gun shows. On occasions when the lawful purchasers were not at home, agents questioned family members (for example, inquiring of a wife if she knew her husband was at a gun show and/or had purchased a firearm) or their neighbors. In other cases, reports surfaced of lawful gun owners and holders of valid carry permits having their firearms confiscated.

Those interested in watching the hearings online may do at http://judiciary.house.gov/schedule.aspx

Dwight Gruber · 02-09-2006, 01:19 PM

Tom, thanks much for the update.

--Dwight

Rod WMG · 02-09-2006, 08:15 PM

It's a very sorry situation. I hope they get more than a slap on the wrist for this abused of power.

Herb · 02-10-2006, 02:33 PM

I can't get that link to work. It says object not found.

John Sabato · 02-10-2006, 03:32 PM

The link has been corrected... (there was a period on the end that didn't belong there...)

Try the link now.

Herb · 02-10-2006, 04:42 PM

Thanks John, link works now, I should have looked at it closer before complaining.

Herb · 02-14-2006, 07:38 PM

Reminder, the hearings are tomorrow at 1630hrs East coast time.

http://judiciary.house.gov/schedule.aspx

wworker · 02-20-2006, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Federal law prohibits the release of this information except to state and local police to identify prohibited purchasers or recipients of guns.

It seems to me that federal laws were violated. If these "Gestapo" tactics go unpunished, then confidence in our system will be degraded.

Pete Ebbink · 02-20-2006, 07:47 PM

If I recall, this happened at Reno about 1.5 years ago. Undercover BATF shut down the entire hall for a few hours while checking (and making copies and notes) of previous sales made that day and the previous 2 days.

OldFalGuy · 02-20-2006, 11:22 PM

wworker- You mean there is still confidence subject to being degraded??
Its like they admit they were going in checking on blacks buying guns and to appear not to be profiling they do the same to whites-bothof which are way outside the bounds of the law- then go after women as they have "profiled" them as always being straw purchasers (read that -gift buyers which is not a straw purchase or buying for felon boyfriends -which is)

Herb · 02-21-2006, 01:08 AM

Perhaps this is a good time to post this again, it's been a few years since it was here....
http://www.gunowners.com/batf.htm

Actually, I recommend that ypu print it out and keep it where you can find it.

02-09-2006, 01:03 PM	#1
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Batf OVERSIGHT HEARING SET ON BATFE ABUSE AT RICHMOND, VA GUN SHOWS On February 15, the U.S. House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security will hold an oversight hearing to investigate apparent wrongdoing by BATFE at a Richmond, VA gun show last August. In 2004-05, a troubling pattern emerged at a number of Richmond, VA-area gun shows, where hundreds of BATFE agents and state and local police staked out local shows. Immediately upon learning of these incidents, NRA began investigating and working to ensure congressional oversight hearings would be held to determine any wrongdoing and ensure BATFE was not overstepping its bounds or violating the law. BATFE agents copied lawful gun purchase transaction records and provided this information to local police officers, who in turn conducted "residency checks." Federal law prohibits the release of this information except to state and local police to identify prohibited purchasers or recipients of guns. The information provided to local police prompted multiple instances of officers showing up at the homes of those who lawfully purchased firearms from licensed dealers at area gun shows. On occasions when the lawful purchasers were not at home, agents questioned family members (for example, inquiring of a wife if she knew her husband was at a gun show and/or had purchased a firearm) or their neighbors. In other cases, reports surfaced of lawful gun owners and holders of valid carry permits having their firearms confiscated. Those interested in watching the hearings online may do at http://judiciary.house.gov/schedule.aspx

02-10-2006, 02:33 PM	#4
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I can't get that link to work. It says object not found. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

02-10-2006, 03:32 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	The link has been corrected... (there was a period on the end that didn't belong there...) Try the link now. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-10-2006, 04:42 PM	#6
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks John, link works now, I should have looked at it closer before complaining. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

02-14-2006, 07:38 PM	#7
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Reminder, the hearings are tomorrow at 1630hrs East coast time. http://judiciary.house.gov/schedule.aspx __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

02-09-2006, 01:19 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Tom, thanks much for the update. --Dwight

02-09-2006, 08:15 PM	#3
Rod WMG User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Edge of Texas Posts: 514 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's a very sorry situation. I hope they get more than a slap on the wrist for this abused of power.

02-20-2006, 07:47 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	If I recall, this happened at Reno about 1.5 years ago. Undercover BATF shut down the entire hall for a few hours while checking (and making copies and notes) of previous sales made that day and the previous 2 days.

02-20-2006, 11:22 PM	#10
OldFalGuy User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	wworker- You mean there is still confidence subject to being degraded?? Its like they admit they were going in checking on blacks buying guns and to appear not to be profiling they do the same to whites-bothof which are way outside the bounds of the law- then go after women as they have "profiled" them as always being straw purchasers (read that -gift buyers which is not a straw purchase or buying for felon boyfriends -which is)

02-21-2006, 01:08 AM	#11
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Perhaps this is a good time to post this again, it's been a few years since it was here.... http://www.gunowners.com/batf.htm Actually, I recommend that ypu print it out and keep it where you can find it. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull