1920 Police

wlyon · 07-28-2006, 05:49 PM

1920 dated Police, Serial #7729, sear safety, no mag safety. Holster converted artillery, Hans Romer 1918. Holster marked S.D.III.152. Luger marked S.D.III R.152 on grip strap with R X'ed out. Old mark on holster S.B. No.11. 1.??. X'ed out. Also marked Crown/I between belt loops. Front of holster on edge of flap marked S.D.IV.R.152. Ink stamped inside flap 1G or 91? Capture papers dated June 1945. One matching mag. Tool marked 152.

Edward Tinker · 07-28-2006, 06:51 PM

nice rig Bill, good enough for anyone's collection.

ed

Don M · 07-29-2006, 04:07 PM

Bill,

Verrrry nice! These have an interesting history. I would appreciate seeing a photo of the unit mark on the front of the holster. Is it really from Command IV? Once I know for sure, I can give you my best guess as to where this rig has been.

wlyon · 07-29-2006, 08:36 PM

Don My mistake. The front of the holster is marked S.B.III R.152 and not IV. Sorryabout that. This is the holster you have had pictures of before. Thanks Bill

Don M · 07-31-2006, 02:08 PM

Bill,

III makes more sense.

As a result of my recent research, I can make a better estimate of the history of this rig.

I believe both the holster and the pistol were "married" in about 1921 as part of the formation of the Prussian Schupo. Both were assigned to Group North of the Berlin Schupo, Inspectorate (district) II, Hundertschaft (company) 1. They were both marked S.B.No.II.1.xx.

In about 1926-27, this rig and perhaps its owner were transferred to Schupo Command III of the DÃ?Â¼sseldorf governmental district. The Berlin mark on the pistol was ground off and the mark on the back of the holster x'd out. They were replaced with S.D.III.R.152. indicating they were the property of the precinct police (Revierpolizei). I don't know which city corresponds with III but it was not DÃ?Â¼sseldorf or Wuppertal (Elberfeld-Barmen) and probably not Essen. My best guess is Duisburg.

New marking orders were issued in February 1932 that did not provide for designating Revierpolizei weapons with R. At that time the R. on the pistol was x'd out and the holster was stamped S.D.III.152. on the back.

The rig remained in police service at least until 1934 because the pistol is fitted with a sear safety. Do the capture papers say anything about whether the rig was taken from a policeman or soldier?

All in all, an outstanding rig with a fairly clear history, at least until the mid-1930s.

wlyon · 07-31-2006, 03:24 PM

Don Thank you for the information. The capture papers do not say anything about where it was acquired.
Appreciate the info. Bill

07-28-2006, 05:49 PM	#1
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	1920 Police 1920 dated Police, Serial #7729, sear safety, no mag safety. Holster converted artillery, Hans Romer 1918. Holster marked S.D.III.152. Luger marked S.D.III R.152 on grip strap with R X'ed out. Old mark on holster S.B. No.11. 1.??. X'ed out. Also marked Crown/I between belt loops. Front of holster on edge of flap marked S.D.IV.R.152. Ink stamped inside flap 1G or 91? Capture papers dated June 1945. One matching mag. Tool marked 152. __________________ Bill Lyon

07-28-2006, 06:51 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	nice rig Bill, good enough for anyone's collection. ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-29-2006, 04:07 PM	#3
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Bill, Verrrry nice! These have an interesting history. I would appreciate seeing a photo of the unit mark on the front of the holster. Is it really from Command IV? Once I know for sure, I can give you my best guess as to where this rig has been. __________________ Regards, Don [email protected] Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

07-29-2006, 08:36 PM	#4
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	Don My mistake. The front of the holster is marked S.B.III R.152 and not IV. Sorryabout that. This is the holster you have had pictures of before. Thanks Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

07-31-2006, 02:08 PM	#5
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Bill, III makes more sense. As a result of my recent research, I can make a better estimate of the history of this rig. I believe both the holster and the pistol were "married" in about 1921 as part of the formation of the Prussian Schupo. Both were assigned to Group North of the Berlin Schupo, Inspectorate (district) II, Hundertschaft (company) 1. They were both marked S.B.No.II.1.xx. In about 1926-27, this rig and perhaps its owner were transferred to Schupo Command III of the DÃ?Â¼sseldorf governmental district. The Berlin mark on the pistol was ground off and the mark on the back of the holster x'd out. They were replaced with S.D.III.R.152. indicating they were the property of the precinct police (Revierpolizei). I don't know which city corresponds with III but it was not DÃ?Â¼sseldorf or Wuppertal (Elberfeld-Barmen) and probably not Essen. My best guess is Duisburg. New marking orders were issued in February 1932 that did not provide for designating Revierpolizei weapons with R. At that time the R. on the pistol was x'd out and the holster was stamped S.D.III.152. on the back. The rig remained in police service at least until 1934 because the pistol is fitted with a sear safety. Do the capture papers say anything about whether the rig was taken from a policeman or soldier? All in all, an outstanding rig with a fairly clear history, at least until the mid-1930s. __________________ Regards, Don [email protected] Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

07-31-2006, 03:24 PM	#6
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	Don Thank you for the information. The capture papers do not say anything about where it was acquired. Appreciate the info. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon