what parts were numbered on third reich guns

kunta · 08-30-2006, 02:30 PM

on thrid reich p08s what parts were numbered?

shadow · 08-30-2006, 03:05 PM

Daryl,

The following is from the FAQ post in the "New collectors Forum".

I hope this helps.

Chris

20) What parts must be numbered on a Luger?
The following parts should have serial numbers on them:
Frame, full serial number with suffix
Under barrel, full serial number with or without suffix
Left side of the receiver, full serial number without suffix.

All the following parts should have the last two numerals stamped on them:
Firing pin
Extractor
Sear bar
Breechblock
Front toggle link
Rear toggle link
Locking bolt (takedown lever)
Side plate (with a few exceptions through the years, see comments on side plate)
Trigger
Safety lever
Safety bar
Hold-open latch
Grips (inside)
Note, that the rear toggle pin was not serial-numbered until 1932.
There were two "styles" of serial number marking, Commercial style and Military style. In commercial style some of the numbers, notably the side-plate and locking bolt, were stamped underneath in a way which did not affect the surface look of the gun--military serial numbers were stamped on the visible surfaces. If your mismatched parts are stamped highly visibly they likely come from military guns.

kunta · 08-30-2006, 04:20 PM

What is the skinny on grips. I have a g date, 39 and 41 byf. none have the serial number on the grips. the 39 I cant find anything, the g date has no markings, and the 41 has only eagle over 655. is this acceptable, also my gdate is all matching but the hold open lever. the gun is in 95% condition and is very pleasing. how bad does the hold open lever being a different number on a gdate hurt it? thanks

Edward Tinker · 08-30-2006, 06:47 PM

please go to the FAQ, I beleive the answers for the 41 byf are there.

kunta · 08-30-2006, 07:35 PM

thanks, found the info on the byf, cant find anything on the opinions on unmatched hold open for a g date. is there a FAQ on g date grips unmarked?

Frank · 08-31-2006, 09:36 AM

kunta, your G-Date grips may be just fine. The Germans didn't number the late G-Date grips from about the C-Block, maybe the D-Block on. You may find a few, but not many. The grip numbers appeared again in 1937, then grips were not numbered during the 1939 Code 42 Production. Again, you may find a few, but not many!! Your 41 byf grips shoud be numbered, but E/655 markings may be proper replacements!! Hope this helps!!

Lugerdoc · 08-31-2006, 12:04 PM

Kunta, Either your G date is ALL matching, or it's not. What number HO do you need? The problem with matching K date or early G date parts, is that the die set used on these is not as wide, as on Mausers that are 1936 and later. TH

kunta · 08-31-2006, 04:24 PM

I need HO 32, I have HO 24. If any one wants to trade? or has one for sale. thanks for the info, the byf 44 has some pitting on the bbl one sied. rest of gun is good. with a few minor freckles, not perfect but I dont think a bad deal for the price. My g date grip also has a Q on one grip. not to sure what that is about.

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08-30-2006, 03:05 PM	#2
shadow User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down The Shore Posts: 245 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Daryl, The following is from the FAQ post in the "New collectors Forum". I hope this helps. Chris 20) What parts must be numbered on a Luger? The following parts should have serial numbers on them: Frame, full serial number with suffix Under barrel, full serial number with or without suffix Left side of the receiver, full serial number without suffix. All the following parts should have the last two numerals stamped on them: Firing pin Extractor Sear bar Breechblock Front toggle link Rear toggle link Locking bolt (takedown lever) Side plate (with a few exceptions through the years, see comments on side plate) Trigger Safety lever Safety bar Hold-open latch Grips (inside) Note, that the rear toggle pin was not serial-numbered until 1932. There were two "styles" of serial number marking, Commercial style and Military style. In commercial style some of the numbers, notably the side-plate and locking bolt, were stamped underneath in a way which did not affect the surface look of the gun--military serial numbers were stamped on the visible surfaces. If your mismatched parts are stamped highly visibly they likely come from military guns. __________________ The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good. George Washington

08-30-2006, 04:20 PM	#3
kunta Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 52 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks, now can I ask about grips? What is the skinny on grips. I have a g date, 39 and 41 byf. none have the serial number on the grips. the 39 I cant find anything, the g date has no markings, and the 41 has only eagle over 655. is this acceptable, also my gdate is all matching but the hold open lever. the gun is in 95% condition and is very pleasing. how bad does the hold open lever being a different number on a gdate hurt it? thanks

08-30-2006, 06:47 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	please go to the FAQ, I beleive the answers for the 41 byf are there. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-31-2006, 12:04 PM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Kunta, Either your G date is ALL matching, or it's not. What number HO do you need? The problem with matching K date or early G date parts, is that the die set used on these is not as wide, as on Mausers that are 1936 and later. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

08-30-2006, 07:35 PM	#5
kunta Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 52 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks, found the info on the byf, cant find anything on the opinions on unmatched hold open for a g date. is there a FAQ on g date grips unmarked?

08-31-2006, 09:36 AM	#6
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	kunta, your G-Date grips may be just fine. The Germans didn't number the late G-Date grips from about the C-Block, maybe the D-Block on. You may find a few, but not many. The grip numbers appeared again in 1937, then grips were not numbered during the 1939 Code 42 Production. Again, you may find a few, but not many!! Your 41 byf grips shoud be numbered, but E/655 markings may be proper replacements!! Hope this helps!!

08-31-2006, 04:24 PM	#8
kunta Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 52 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	HO I need HO 32, I have HO 24. If any one wants to trade? or has one for sale. thanks for the info, the byf 44 has some pitting on the bbl one sied. rest of gun is good. with a few minor freckles, not perfect but I dont think a bad deal for the price. My g date grip also has a Q on one grip. not to sure what that is about.