HZa = Heereszeugamt Proof

burton · 08-28-2007, 03:48 AM

Poster on another forum provided a excellent close-up photo of what appears to be a variant of a "HZa" proof, ( Walter, Page 137 ). Noted as "HZa.JL.16" in Walter's book. This one is different, no number and the fifth letter doesn't appear to be a "L".

Can't find any reference to this in the Technical Information section? Can any one identify, or shed any information on this proof?

The original poster identifies the Luger with the above mark as being a police gun. He doesn't provide any pictures other then of the marking. Walter shows another marking "HNZa", but the first letter on this one seems to be a "H", no "N" is apparent.

Dwight Gruber · 08-28-2007, 05:05 AM

Richard,

Can you post a link to the post on the "other forum"?

Heers Zeugamt (HZa) inspection marks are an evolving study. Heers Zeugamts were Army weapons depots, located in various cities around Germany. The stamps were usually (though not always) surmounted by a stylized eagle, and the letters and numbers denoted the city and depot number. Because some of the parts so stamped were very small size, the individual letters and numbers are often too small to identify acccurately, and sometimes were abbreviated.

HZaJt18 is a very common HZa stamp encountered on Lugers. It identifies Army Weapons Depot (Heers Zeugamt = HZa) Ingolstadt (Jngolstadt = Jt) depot number 18. The t in Jt is very often mistaken for an L.

Another very common HZa mark is Su25, Heers Zeugamt number 25 in Spandau (Su).

--Dwight

Steinar · 08-28-2007, 06:57 AM

E/Jt2

burton · 08-28-2007, 11:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Dwight Gruber
Richard,

Can you post a link to the post on the "other forum"?

Heers Zeugamt (HZa) inspection marks are an evolving study. Heers Zeugamts were Army weapons depots, located in various cities around Germany. The stamps were usually (though not always) surmounted by a stylized eagle, and the letters and numbers denoted the city and depot number. Because some of the parts so stamped were very small size, the individual letters and numbers are often too small to identify acccurately, and sometimes were abbreviated.

HZaJt18 is a very common HZa stamp encountered on Lugers. It identifies Army Weapons Depot (Heers Zeugamt = HZa) Ingolstadt (Jngolstadt = Jt) depot number 18. The t in Jt is very often mistaken for an L.

Another very common HZa mark is Su25, Heers Zeugamt number 25 in Spandau (Su).

--Dwight

08-28-2007, 03:48 AM	#1
burton User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central AZ Posts: 14 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	HZa = Heereszeugamt Proof Poster on another forum provided a excellent close-up photo of what appears to be a variant of a "HZa" proof, ( Walter, Page 137 ). Noted as "HZa.JL.16" in Walter's book. This one is different, no number and the fifth letter doesn't appear to be a "L". Can't find any reference to this in the Technical Information section? Can any one identify, or shed any information on this proof? The original poster identifies the Luger with the above mark as being a police gun. He doesn't provide any pictures other then of the marking. Walter shows another marking "HNZa", but the first letter on this one seems to be a "H", no "N" is apparent. __________________ RICHARD

08-28-2007, 06:57 AM	#3
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	E/Jt2 __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

08-28-2007, 05:05 AM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Richard, Can you post a link to the post on the "other forum"? Heers Zeugamt (HZa) inspection marks are an evolving study. Heers Zeugamts were Army weapons depots, located in various cities around Germany. The stamps were usually (though not always) surmounted by a stylized eagle, and the letters and numbers denoted the city and depot number. Because some of the parts so stamped were very small size, the individual letters and numbers are often too small to identify acccurately, and sometimes were abbreviated. HZaJt18 is a very common HZa stamp encountered on Lugers. It identifies Army Weapons Depot (Heers Zeugamt = HZa) Ingolstadt (Jngolstadt = Jt) depot number 18. The t in Jt is very often mistaken for an L. Another very common HZa mark is Su25, Heers Zeugamt number 25 in Spandau (Su). --Dwight