Small or Large Toggles Openings

LugerVern · 12-20-2007, 12:25 PM

Small or Large Toggles?

I am still confused on the topic of HK toggle openings; did Krieghoff make standard toggles for some of their guns?

In other words, is this a defining trait or just something that is nice to have on your HK.

Thanks

Vern

Navy · 12-20-2007, 01:30 PM

I have never seen an original Kreighoff withour a camfered toggle.

Tom A

John Sabato · 12-20-2007, 01:39 PM

Tom & Vern,

The photo on the left appears to have poor lighting but magnification appears to show that this hole is also chamfered... ("beveled edge" for the non-engineering types)

Pete Ebbink · 12-20-2007, 01:47 PM

LugerVern · 12-20-2007, 04:00 PM

I am actually more concerned with the one on the right.

This looks to me like a DWM toggle ( on the right).

The reason I brought this up is that a couple of years ago I made a mistake between a DWM & HK toggle, I got my money back, but it was not pleasant.

So, generally speaking, you would accept both as HK produced?

( I know this isn't fair, not seeing the rest of the gun, Its the Holidays and I am trying to be good)

Vern

Pete Ebbink · 12-20-2007, 08:27 PM

Rest of the guns...

I think the 1937 HK had a price tag of $ 9995 before the "hold" tag went up...

http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?cPath=179_247

LugerVern · 12-21-2007, 05:54 PM

Page 169 of GibsonÃ¢??s book, SN 9088 (1937) has the same type of toggle as the gun on the right. I think we are seeing a toggle variation here.

I am not completely happy with this gun; note the frosting in the safety area and the lack of machine marks. Also I am concerned about the broken Ã¢??8sÃ¢?Â.

I also have a question about the E/2 on the lower frame right side, is this consistently applied enough to use as a criteria?

I am glad I found the example of a similar toggle; I am a little less suspicious.

Vern

Pete Ebbink · 12-24-2007, 04:55 PM

Vern,

Here are some photo scans of my S-Code HK Luger SN 2122...

Not a 1937...so not sure if my photos will help with your questions or not.

(Full photos of my HK are in a photo album in the Members Gallery section...)

My "assembled" rig photo :

12-20-2007, 12:25 PM	#1
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Small or Large Toggles Openings Small or Large Toggles? I am still confused on the topic of HK toggle openings; did Krieghoff make standard toggles for some of their guns? In other words, is this a defining trait or just something that is nice to have on your HK. Thanks Vern

12-20-2007, 01:39 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Tom & Vern, The photo on the left appears to have poor lighting but magnification appears to show that this hole is also chamfered... ("beveled edge" for the non-engineering types) __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-20-2007, 01:30 PM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	I have never seen an original Kreighoff withour a camfered toggle. Tom A

12-20-2007, 01:47 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts

12-20-2007, 04:00 PM	#5
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	I am actually more concerned with the one on the right. This looks to me like a DWM toggle ( on the right). The reason I brought this up is that a couple of years ago I made a mistake between a DWM & HK toggle, I got my money back, but it was not pleasant. So, generally speaking, you would accept both as HK produced? ( I know this isn't fair, not seeing the rest of the gun, Its the Holidays and I am trying to be good) Vern

12-20-2007, 08:27 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Rest of the guns... I think the 1937 HK had a price tag of $ 9995 before the "hold" tag went up... http://www.simpsonltd.com/index.php?cPath=179_247

12-21-2007, 05:54 PM	#7
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Page 169 of GibsonÃ¢??s book, SN 9088 (1937) has the same type of toggle as the gun on the right. I think we are seeing a toggle variation here. I am not completely happy with this gun; note the frosting in the safety area and the lack of machine marks. Also I am concerned about the broken Ã¢??8sÃ¢?Â. I also have a question about the E/2 on the lower frame right side, is this consistently applied enough to use as a criteria? I am glad I found the example of a similar toggle; I am a little less suspicious. Vern

12-24-2007, 04:55 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Vern, Here are some photo scans of my S-Code HK Luger SN 2122... Not a 1937...so not sure if my photos will help with your questions or not. (Full photos of my HK are in a photo album in the Members Gallery section...) My "assembled" rig photo :