PBS Sarah Palin's VP Qualifications Poll

[lboos]

Wow! It sounds like a couple of you guys are just mad at Rush, Why it,s almost Blasphemous for you to talk about a Man who has already told you that he has a BRAIN on loan from GODDD. you both should be thankful to hear the stright truth from higher up.

David, your right they are going to save Hilda Beast for next time, all they will have to do is dust her off and put on some Fresh Lip stick.
ALL IN FUN!

[davidkachel]

Originally posted by lboos
David, your right they are going to save Hilda Beast for next time, all they will have to do is dust her off and put on some Fresh Lip stick.
ALL IN FUN!

Yucch! Now I need to go take a shower. There ain't that much lipstick in the world!

[Tobruk42]

The more they attack Palin the more capable she appears to be. This may well backfire on the Left as everyone watches her measure up to the pressure.

[alvin]

She did way better than I had expected in the debate. Interesting enough, they talked about homosexual marriage, but moderator did not ask any questions on gun rights.

[raygun]

Good to see you blokes are passionate about your politics and there are a diversity of views even among gun owners . I will be over at the end of November, shortly after the election, be interesting to see who you have elected !
Sarah P is certainly my kind of girl , but when she starts talking glibly about war with Russia , the hackles start going up !

[danzig]

Here negatives are popping through the roof. I do not feel that running a town the size of 7000 people and a state that has the population of a med. sized us city for less than 2 years are qualifications to run the country. I also feel that her radical Christian beliefs are very scary for some one who would have so much power. A person who runs this country should be unbiased about any religion. Religion has to take a back seat to the running of the country. She excites the base because she is so biased about Christianity. She also had a African witch hunter who ran a woman out of her home after he persecuted her for being a witch. WOW that is just out and out crazy and has no place in modern society. As far as the radical people who say that this country was founded on Christianity, all I can say is they have not idea what the history of this country is all about.
[Thomas Paine, _The Age of Reason_]

"That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not, or that the Bible does not."


[The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9 p. 134]

"The NT, compared with the Old, is like a farce of one act..."


[_The Age of Reason_, Thomas Paine, p. 153]

"There are matters in the Bible, said to be done by the express commandment of God, that are shocking to humanity and to every idea we have of moral justice....".


[Thomas Paine]

"..but the Bible is such a book of lies and contradictions there is no knowing which part to believe or whether any..."


[_The Age of Reason_, Thomas Paine, p. 104]

"As to the book called the Bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions, and a history of bad times and bad men. There are but a few good characters in the whole book."


[Thomas Paine, Letter to William Duane, April 23, 1806]

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church."


[Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

"The story of Jesus Christ appearing after he was dead is the story of an apparition, such as timid imaginations can always create in vision, and credulity believe. Stories of this kind had been told of the assassination of Julius Caesar..."


[Thomas Paine]

"What is it the Bible teaches us? - raping, cruelty, and murder. What is it the New Testament teaches us? - to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married, and the belief of this debauchery is called faith."


[Thomas Paine]

"There is nothing which can better deserve our patronage than the promotion of science and literature. Knowledge is in every country the surest basis of public happiness."


[George Washington, address to Congress, 8 January, 1790]

"In those parts of the world where learning and science have prevailed, miracles have ceased; but in those parts of it as are barbarous and ignorant, miracles are still in vogue."


[Ethan Allen, Reason the Only Oracle of Man, pamphlet, 1784]

"While we are under the tyranny of Priests [...] it will ever be their interest, to invalidate the law of nature and reason, in order to establish systems incompatible therewith."


[Ethan Allen, _Reason_the_Only_Oracle_of_Man_]

"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma."


[Abraham Lincoln]

"I am for liberty of conscience in its noblest, broadest, and highest sense. But I cannot give liberty of conscience to the pope and his followers, the papists, so long as they tell me, through all their councils, theologians, and canon laws that their conscience orders them to burn my wife, strangle my children, and cut my throat when they find their opportunity."


[Abraham Lincoln]

"My earlier views at the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them."


[Abraham Lincoln, letter to Judge J.S. Wakefield, after the death of Willie Lincoln]

"It will not do to investigate the subject of religion too closely, as it is apt to lead to infidelity."


[Abraham Lincoln, from "What Great Men Think Of Religion" by Ira Cardiff]

"I am approached with the most opposite opinions and advice, and by religious men who are certain they represent the Divine will. ... I hope it will not be irreverent in me to say, that if it be probable that God would reveal his will to others, on a point so connected with my duty, it might be supposed he would reveal it directly to me."


[Abraham Lincoln. Chapter 14 of Part 5 of *Six Historic Americans* by John Ramsburg]

"I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute- where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishoners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him."


[President John F. Kennedy]

"I would suggest the taxation of all property equally whether church or corporation."


[Ulysses S. Grant (1822-1885)]

"If not an absolute atheist, he had no belief in a future existence. All his ideas of obligation or retribution were bounded by the present life."


[President John Quincy Adams on Thomas Jefferson, 1831]

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character -- cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust."


[Thomas Jefferson, _Jefferson Bible_]

"If the obstacles of bigotry and priestcraft can be surmounted, we may hope that common sense will suffice to do everything else."


[Thomas Jefferson]

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."


[Thomas Jefferson]

"He is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong."


[Thomas Jefferson]

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."


[Thomas Jefferson]

"If we could believe that [Jesus]...countenanced the follies, falsehoods and charlatanisms which his biographers father on him, ...the conclusion would be irresistible...that he was an imposter."


[Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826) 3rd president of the U.S.]

"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."


[Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association]

"All persons shall have full and free liberty of religious opinion; nor shall any be compelled to frequent or maintain any religious institution."


[Thomas Jefferson, 1776]

"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."


[Thomas Jefferson]

"...difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a common censor over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."


[Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on the State of Virginia [1781-1785]"]

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."

[Heinz]

And your reference for the following bit of drivel??

"She excites the base because she is so biased about Christianity. She also had a African witch hunter who ran a woman out of her home after he persecuted her for being a witch." Was the witch hunter African or was he a hunter of African witches? Did he run a woman out of Palin's home for being a witch? Or did he run a woman out of that woman's home after he persecuted Palin for being a witch?

Reading your quotes I am reminded of some graffiti scraweled on a wall at my university:
"God is dead" Nietzsche, 1875
"Nietzsche is dead" God, 1900

And, at least Palin has experience at running something, other than away from giving a straight answer. I believe she will let you keep your Lugers, if you have one.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid

[danzig]

You forgot to add the Ohhh Yahhh. LOL When I get responces like yours it is vindication of my argument. Thanks.

[Heinz]

Care to answer the question? Where is your reference?

[danzig]

I take it you can not or do not wish to look up and verify the quotes I listed above? Very lazy of you. They are plastered all over the web, in many publications from Richard Dawkins to Carl Sagan. You will not find them listed among your pastor Haggie though. He is to busy having god send hurricanes to NOLA.
Here are just a few of the sights that list the quotes. That the founding fathers were atheist is arguable except for maybe Thomas Paine who wrote Common Sense, and was called by Teddy Roosevelt "that dirty little atheist"
Which shows the intolerance of Christians. I have talked with people like you before, No amount of evidence will keep you from believing in talking snakes, boats with all the creatures of the world on it, and a man living in the belly of a big fish for 3 days. Your religion is based of faith. Look the word up, faith is to believe without evidence. Be happy to do that if you like. But do not try to pawn off that you have some kind of moral high ground based on anything less. You have nothing, notta, zilch, Zero!!!
There is not one shred of evidence to support the GOD of the bible. Just because the bible writers have a city that is not known and we dig it up is not proving that the Christ walked on water, turned it to wine, or raised the dead. No more than because we have found the lost city of Troy, that Medusa turned men to stone with a gaze, or the Ulysses fought Poseidon.
You do not even ask the first grade simple questions about your book [bible], How did all the fresh water fish survive if the world was covered by salt water? or Vis versa if it was fresh water? If Joseph was the descendent of David the king, and it was prophesied that this blood line would produce the Christ, and Jesus was born of the "Virgin" Mary, how could this be held true? Is he than a "false" Christ? Not to mention the whole "the earth was created in 6 24 hour days" POOP. PUNN intended.
Then you have the 4 gospels that no one even knows who wrote them, they were attributed, and have glaring discrepancy between them. You could write a book and many have on the problems and contradictions in the bible. But like I said if you want to believe in myth, that is your purgative, just do not pass it off as anything but to others who do not drink the Kool-Aid with you.


http://www.errantskeptics.org/Quotes_by_Presidents.htm

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolve..._jefferson.htm

http://nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffma.../Jefferson.htm

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/.../jefferson.htm

http://www.wonderfulatheistsofcfl.org/Quotes.htm

http://listverse.com/religion/top-15...mous-atheists/

http://struggle07.wordpress.com/2008...amin-franklin/

http://moizkhan.com/blog/2007/12/07/...non-believers/


http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyame...s/commonsense/

[John Sabato]

Gentlemen, this thread has degraded into the level of personal attacks on religious beliefs... Opinions on the existence of God are one thing, but attacks on other members are not tolerated.

THIS THREAD IS CLOSED!