Portuguese M2 Crests

LugerVern · 01-15-2009, 09:28 PM

I have been studying the Portuguese M2 and came across something interesting in the shape of the M2 crests. There appears to be at least 3 distinct dies that were used in the production.

Thanks to forum members I have obtained two very good pictures of two the types and hope that someone might provide a detailed picture of the 3rd type. This should appear in the later higher serialized guns above about SN 3000. There could be a couple more out there also where the crown almost touches the M2.

Over the last couple of years we have discussed several crest variations where only slight changes had taken place, as collectors we want everything nice and tidy and consistent but it appears that when it comes to Luger Crests we need to come to understand that several variations might exist concurrently and all be correct.

Hope you find this interesting

Vern

MFC · 01-16-2009, 01:23 AM

Vern,
My M2 #3803 looks like your first photo... top left. It has 28 lines inside each leg of the M, as apposed to 21 lines, second photo, top right. The crown is more angular also. There are some subtle differences though.
Hope this helps.

LugerVern · 01-16-2009, 05:52 AM

Thanks Mike!

The different crests seem to be intermixed, I guess this could be multiple assemble lines doing production at the same time, this was a fairly large contract.

I still think I see 3 to 5 variations and hope members will post pictures of their guns crest for us to see clearly.

In general there has been very little research done on Portuguese Lugers, there's lots still to learn. Thanks for sharing!

Vern

VN Vet · 01-16-2009, 07:06 PM

Counting lines paying attention to angles on the M......you guys are good. I am so happy to have been intoduced to this Form. Thanks much!

Doug G. · 03-05-2009, 12:10 AM

My M2 is Sn 2341.

01-15-2009, 09:28 PM	#1
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Portuguese M2 Crests I have been studying the Portuguese M2 and came across something interesting in the shape of the M2 crests. There appears to be at least 3 distinct dies that were used in the production. Thanks to forum members I have obtained two very good pictures of two the types and hope that someone might provide a detailed picture of the 3rd type. This should appear in the later higher serialized guns above about SN 3000. There could be a couple more out there also where the crown almost touches the M2. Over the last couple of years we have discussed several crest variations where only slight changes had taken place, as collectors we want everything nice and tidy and consistent but it appears that when it comes to Luger Crests we need to come to understand that several variations might exist concurrently and all be correct. Hope you find this interesting Vern

01-16-2009, 01:23 AM	#2
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Vern, My M2 #3803 looks like your first photo... top left. It has 28 lines inside each leg of the M, as apposed to 21 lines, second photo, top right. The crown is more angular also. There are some subtle differences though. Hope this helps. Attached Images __________________ Mike C. Last edited by MFC; 01-16-2009 at 01:43 AM.

03-05-2009, 12:10 AM	#5
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	My M2 is Sn 2341. __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

01-16-2009, 05:52 AM	#3
LugerVern User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 563 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 27 Posts	Thanks Mike! The different crests seem to be intermixed, I guess this could be multiple assemble lines doing production at the same time, this was a fairly large contract. I still think I see 3 to 5 variations and hope members will post pictures of their guns crest for us to see clearly. In general there has been very little research done on Portuguese Lugers, there's lots still to learn. Thanks for sharing! Vern

01-16-2009, 07:06 PM	#4
VN Vet User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 43 Thanks: 7 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Counting lines paying attention to angles on the M......you guys are good. I am so happy to have been intoduced to this Form. Thanks much!