Extractors

Edward Tinker · 09-14-2009, 11:55 PM

okay, showed the two I am picking up, and when I went upstairs to check what I had (no hold opens Mike B #23, just have one #44)

I have 4 Geladen extractors, two have this Cross CV marking? I am guesing these are Swiss that I got from gunbroker a while back.

Then I have one unmarked and another that is erfurt evidently.

Ed

Steinar · 09-15-2009, 09:09 AM

Hello Ed, you are probably right about the two CV marked ones beeing Swiss. According to Walter's The Luger Book the letters stands for "Chrom-Nickel-Stahl", used in Swiss Bern lugers.

The bottom is also probably Erfurt, but the logo is so darn close to Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk. I recently found out that they produced ejectors trough some blueprints.. but I have never seen one

Vlim · 09-15-2009, 04:42 PM

Yup, the Kongsberg arsenal produced a large number of Luger spares (have the proof in writing) and the crown/R symbol can be found on those Norwegian made spares.

But, like Steinar, I never saw one for real.

Edward Tinker · 09-15-2009, 04:48 PM

Steinar, interesting, you had / saw a lot of spare parts, surprising you never saw those? Did they not make many or just unlucky in not seeing any??

Ed

Steinar · 09-15-2009, 05:39 PM

They made complete toggles and extractors also, I just haven't been lucky enough to find them

Ron Wood · 09-15-2009, 06:23 PM

I may be being picky, but those sure look like extractors to me

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Edward Tinker · 09-15-2009, 08:09 PM

Sorry, you are right. Mike Jones told me the same thing and I forgot to change this heading.

I seem to have a mental block on calling these damn things the right thing. It makes no sense to me that there is a extractor and ejector, there isn't both in a 1911...

Ron Wood · 09-15-2009, 11:33 PM

"It makes no sense to me that there is a extractor and ejector, there isn't both in a 1911"

Yes there is.

Edward Tinker · 09-15-2009, 11:44 PM

I guess I never think about the part on the frame as being a ejector. I only think of the extractor above on the slide ( # 8 ).

But I just won't talk about extractors or ejectors

Steinar · 09-16-2009, 03:56 AM

Some of the small puppies in 6.35mm don't have ejector.. like the early Mauser 1910. On the later models they placed it on the right side of the magazine, there is probably a good reason for that.. I just can't see it with my novice eyes.

Ejectors/extractors is interesting stuff eh?

PhilOhio · 09-17-2009, 01:26 PM

Steinar,

About ejectors not being on some of the small ".25 ACP" guns, as we know them in the U.S....

They do have ejectors. Well, yes and no. The firing pin also serves as the ejector. As the fired case is withdrawn by the extractor, when its mouth clears and barrel chamber and front of the ejection port in the slide, the spring loaded firing pin becomes the ejector. Most of these firing pins extend more than 1/8" in front of the slide face when not held by the sear.

The design works just fine, but I'm always uncomfortable and very careful when occasionally clearing the live round from one of the small Colt, Browning, or Bauer .25 pistols I sometimes carry, as right now. But I've never heard of one going off under those circumstances, and they've been in use for close to 100 years. So I guess it's O.K.

RichSr · 09-17-2009, 03:27 PM

Going further off the original topic, the Beretta tip-up barrel design (950 Jetfire as an example)has an ejector but no extractor. A little disconcerting but they are reliable.

09-14-2009, 11:55 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Extractors okay, showed the two I am picking up, and when I went upstairs to check what I had (no hold opens Mike B #23, just have one #44) I have 4 Geladen extractors, two have this Cross CV marking? I am guesing these are Swiss that I got from gunbroker a while back. Then I have one unmarked and another that is erfurt evidently. Ed Attached Thumbnails __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-15-2009, 05:39 PM	#5
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	They made complete toggles and extractors also, I just haven't been lucky enough to find them __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane Last edited by Steinar; 10-16-2014 at 10:35 AM.

09-15-2009, 06:23 PM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	I may be being picky, but those sure look like extractors to me . __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-15-2009, 08:09 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Sorry, you are right. Mike Jones told me the same thing and I forgot to change this heading. I seem to have a mental block on calling these damn things the right thing. It makes no sense to me that there is a extractor and ejector, there isn't both in a 1911... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-15-2009, 11:33 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	"It makes no sense to me that there is a extractor and ejector, there isn't both in a 1911" Yes there is. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-15-2009, 09:09 AM	#2
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Hello Ed, you are probably right about the two CV marked ones beeing Swiss. According to Walter's The Luger Book the letters stands for "Chrom-Nickel-Stahl", used in Swiss Bern lugers. The bottom is also probably Erfurt, but the logo is so darn close to Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk. I recently found out that they produced ejectors trough some blueprints.. but I have never seen one __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

09-15-2009, 04:42 PM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Yup, the Kongsberg arsenal produced a large number of Luger spares (have the proof in writing) and the crown/R symbol can be found on those Norwegian made spares. But, like Steinar, I never saw one for real.

09-15-2009, 04:48 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Steinar, interesting, you had / saw a lot of spare parts, surprising you never saw those? Did they not make many or just unlucky in not seeing any?? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-15-2009, 11:44 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I guess I never think about the part on the frame as being a ejector. I only think of the extractor above on the slide ( # 8 ). But I just won't talk about extractors or ejectors Attached Thumbnails

09-16-2009, 03:56 AM	#10
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Some of the small puppies in 6.35mm don't have ejector.. like the early Mauser 1910. On the later models they placed it on the right side of the magazine, there is probably a good reason for that.. I just can't see it with my novice eyes. Ejectors/extractors is interesting stuff eh? __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

09-17-2009, 01:26 PM	#11
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Steinar, About ejectors not being on some of the small ".25 ACP" guns, as we know them in the U.S.... They do have ejectors. Well, yes and no. The firing pin also serves as the ejector. As the fired case is withdrawn by the extractor, when its mouth clears and barrel chamber and front of the ejection port in the slide, the spring loaded firing pin becomes the ejector. Most of these firing pins extend more than 1/8" in front of the slide face when not held by the sear. The design works just fine, but I'm always uncomfortable and very careful when occasionally clearing the live round from one of the small Colt, Browning, or Bauer .25 pistols I sometimes carry, as right now. But I've never heard of one going off under those circumstances, and they've been in use for close to 100 years. So I guess it's O.K.

09-17-2009, 03:27 PM	#12
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 128 Thanks: 153 Thanked 54 Times in 36 Posts	Going further off the original topic, the Beretta tip-up barrel design (950 Jetfire as an example)has an ejector but no extractor. A little disconcerting but they are reliable. __________________ Rich