Were there 9mm marked German commercial mags??

P. J. Heck · 09-16-2009, 10:29 PM

All I have ever seen have been 'CAl 9', the German version, if such exists, would be marked 'Kal. 9' ??? PJHeck

zinfull · 09-17-2009, 12:26 AM

I have one but it is just marked "GERMANY". I did not know they marked mags as 9m/m as they are the same as 30 cal magazines.

jerry

MFC · 09-17-2009, 02:44 AM

Jerry,
The (Cal. 9mm) marked mags were to show the caliber of the Luger, so that someone wouldn't load it with 30 Luger rounds. The 9mm round was still new for the M1902 and M1906. There is no difference in the mag, other than the stamp. The GERMANY stamp on your mag is an export stamp for english speaking countries. PJ's question is about the mags that were sold in Germany.

Vlim · 09-17-2009, 05:59 AM

Differences did exist, otherwise DWM wouldn't have bothered marking the magazines. According to some old world experts the following differences may be observed:

-Difference in spring strength between 9mm and 7,65 mags.
-Altered magazine knobs to show the caliber (the 'navy pattern').

It seems that these modifications were rather short lived, and around 1906 - 1908 the interchangeability was improved, so that separate marking of magazines was no longer required.

In the 1970s, Mauser also produced separate 7,65 and 9mm magazines (different spring strenghts) for a while.

P. J. Heck · 09-17-2009, 11:26 AM

Vlim.......have your ever heard of or seen a 'Kal 9' marked mag??? Will try to deal on another German '06 9mm commercial this weekend, I have 'bug' and this one is 'crown N'. Neither has a marked magazine. Will give me one of each & a good excuse to go after 1906 Eagles in both calibers. PJH

MFC · 09-18-2009, 12:35 AM

Vlim,
Thanks. I thought they were marked Cal. 9mm for the same reason they branded grips with a red 9, and it didn't have anything to do with the mag or the grips.

09-16-2009, 10:29 PM	#1
P. J. Heck User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southeast Ohio Posts: 200 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Were there 9mm marked German commercial mags?? All I have ever seen have been 'CAl 9', the German version, if such exists, would be marked 'Kal. 9' ??? PJHeck __________________ There are no bad guns!

09-17-2009, 02:44 AM	#3
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Jerry, The (Cal. 9mm) marked mags were to show the caliber of the Luger, so that someone wouldn't load it with 30 Luger rounds. The 9mm round was still new for the M1902 and M1906. There is no difference in the mag, other than the stamp. The GERMANY stamp on your mag is an export stamp for english speaking countries. PJ's question is about the mags that were sold in Germany. __________________ Mike C.

09-17-2009, 11:26 AM	#5
P. J. Heck User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Southeast Ohio Posts: 200 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Vlim.......have your ever heard of or seen a 'Kal 9' marked mag??? Will try to deal on another German '06 9mm commercial this weekend, I have 'bug' and this one is 'crown N'. Neither has a marked magazine. Will give me one of each & a good excuse to go after 1906 Eagles in both calibers. PJH __________________ There are no bad guns!

09-18-2009, 12:35 AM	#6
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Vlim, Thanks. I thought they were marked Cal. 9mm for the same reason they branded grips with a red 9, and it didn't have anything to do with the mag or the grips. __________________ Mike C.

09-17-2009, 12:26 AM	#2
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 243 Thanks: 5 Thanked 33 Times in 16 Posts	I have one but it is just marked "GERMANY". I did not know they marked mags as 9m/m as they are the same as 30 cal magazines. jerry

09-17-2009, 05:59 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Differences did exist, otherwise DWM wouldn't have bothered marking the magazines. According to some old world experts the following differences may be observed: -Difference in spring strength between 9mm and 7,65 mags. -Altered magazine knobs to show the caliber (the 'navy pattern'). It seems that these modifications were rather short lived, and around 1906 - 1908 the interchangeability was improved, so that separate marking of magazines was no longer required. In the 1970s, Mauser also produced separate 7,65 and 9mm magazines (different spring strenghts) for a while.