Original post war "true" Lugers?

Jasta2 · 10-01-2009, 01:47 PM

My Luger history is most likely off on this, but I take there were still some "original" Lugers still made after the war for a short period. Outside the custom 'one off' Lugers, the only makes of 'new' Lugers have been the Mausers of the 70's and the stainless Lugers that Mitchell and Stoger made. Is it true that the Stogers are/were made from the same tooling as the Mitchels? I see the Stogers up for sale now and then, but never a Mitchel. Why, low production? Were there any other makers of new post war Lugers outside these and the one off custom built models?
Thanks,Bill

Edward Tinker · 10-01-2009, 03:07 PM

Bill, no and kinda

Here is what happened; immediatly after the war, a few hundred lugers were put together and sold to GI's, let alone the tens of thousands traded and sold during the occupation years (early years I presume).

After the war, other lugers were sold to the overseas market and in europe.

In the 1970's, Mauser retooled and made some lugers, more based on the Swiss designs rather than the model 1908 german luger, so most parts are not interchangeable.

The Orimar, Stoeger, Mitchel are all the same company with different names; I am guessing the owner did not want to give up production and kept at it.

The 22 Stoegers are look alikes only and not true lugers except by looks.

Ed

Jasta2 · 10-01-2009, 03:33 PM

Thanks Ed. I owned two of the Stoeger .22 cal Lugers a few years back. Both were very prone to jam/not feed well almost on every mag. I was not unhappy to see them go. Funny , that was only about 6 years back, looks like their asking prices have tripled over what I paid and sold them for.
Tks,Bill

George Anderson · 10-01-2009, 06:44 PM

The East Germans (DDR) also manufactured a tiny number of Lugers from scratch. They are a very interesting variation.

saab-bob · 10-01-2009, 09:24 PM

How about the Mauser P08s made at the factory under French occupation after the end of the war?
They made quite a few P-38s,HSCs and a pretty good number of P08s.
I have a metal griped P-38 (AKA the Grey ghost) that is a great gun.
I have seen lots of P38 and a few HSE,not very many P08.They can be recognized by the French star stamp on the slide. Not sure where the stamp is on a P08.

Bob

Navy · 10-02-2009, 11:48 AM

There were a number of Krieghoff P-08s assembled after the war; some were allegedly assembled by GIs and some were allegedly assembled by former company staff.

Tom A

mauro · 10-03-2009, 03:47 AM

Bill,
If you want to have more information about the early Post WWII Mauser production (officially the French enter in Oberndorf on 20th April 1945) as well as the Mauser reintroduction in the late 60th you can referr to my web site where I have collected several information and pictures from my Post WWII Mauser collection.

Bob: you may be interested in see where the star is located. Not all the French P08 have been star marked, there are some others marks.

Have fun,
Mauro

Lugerdoc · 10-03-2009, 08:28 AM

The only other one that occurs to me, that is not mentioned above, are the few made by Kreighoff as a continuation of their previous WW2 serial number range @$5K+ each. TH

10-01-2009, 01:47 PM	#1
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Original post war "true" Lugers? My Luger history is most likely off on this, but I take there were still some "original" Lugers still made after the war for a short period. Outside the custom 'one off' Lugers, the only makes of 'new' Lugers have been the Mausers of the 70's and the stainless Lugers that Mitchell and Stoger made. Is it true that the Stogers are/were made from the same tooling as the Mitchels? I see the Stogers up for sale now and then, but never a Mitchel. Why, low production? Were there any other makers of new post war Lugers outside these and the one off custom built models? Thanks,Bill

10-01-2009, 03:07 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Bill, no and kinda Here is what happened; immediatly after the war, a few hundred lugers were put together and sold to GI's, let alone the tens of thousands traded and sold during the occupation years (early years I presume). After the war, other lugers were sold to the overseas market and in europe. In the 1970's, Mauser retooled and made some lugers, more based on the Swiss designs rather than the model 1908 german luger, so most parts are not interchangeable. The Orimar, Stoeger, Mitchel are all the same company with different names; I am guessing the owner did not want to give up production and kept at it. The 22 Stoegers are look alikes only and not true lugers except by looks. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

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saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	How about the Mauser P08s made at the factory under French occupation after the end of the war? They made quite a few P-38s,HSCs and a pretty good number of P08s. I have a metal griped P-38 (AKA the Grey ghost) that is a great gun. I have seen lots of P38 and a few HSE,not very many P08.They can be recognized by the French star stamp on the slide. Not sure where the stamp is on a P08. Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

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mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Bill, If you want to have more information about the early Post WWII Mauser production (officially the French enter in Oberndorf on 20th April 1945) as well as the Mauser reintroduction in the late 60th you can referr to my web site where I have collected several information and pictures from my Post WWII Mauser collection. Bob: you may be interested in see where the star is located. Not all the French P08 have been star marked, there are some others marks. Have fun, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

10-03-2009, 08:28 AM	#8
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The only other one that occurs to me, that is not mentioned above, are the few made by Kreighoff as a continuation of their previous WW2 serial number range @$5K+ each. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

10-01-2009, 03:33 PM	#3
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Thanks Ed. I owned two of the Stoeger .22 cal Lugers a few years back. Both were very prone to jam/not feed well almost on every mag. I was not unhappy to see them go. Funny , that was only about 6 years back, looks like their asking prices have tripled over what I paid and sold them for. Tks,Bill

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George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	The East Germans (DDR) also manufactured a tiny number of Lugers from scratch. They are a very interesting variation.

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Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	There were a number of Krieghoff P-08s assembled after the war; some were allegedly assembled by GIs and some were allegedly assembled by former company staff. Tom A