1917 Luger Holster

vernonsmith · 09-25-2009, 12:54 AM

I have just recently acquired an all matching (including mag) 1917 DWM Military Luger as well as this holster. Pity the holster it's all torn up, don't think it will worth much. It seemed to have a stamp 'J.M.ECKART 1917 ULM A/D.' under the flap. Nothing else was stamp except a big 'N' at the back can anyone identify this holster? Is it correct to come with the pistol? Also it comes with some sort of lace/string I have never seen one with a Luger holster before.

klaus 3338 · 09-25-2009, 02:22 AM

The maker of the holster indicates that your Luger was part of the 13. Army Corps. Eckart in Ulm was THE holster maker for the army of the kingdom Württemberg.
The tool is a typicaly DWM tool. Holster and tool are correct with your Luger.
Regards Klaus

vernonsmith · 09-25-2009, 06:44 AM

Many thanks for the clarifications Klaus. Any explanations for the big N at the back of the holster? Or it was personally sketched by the previous owners.

Cheers.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-25-2009, 01:06 PM

Vernon, The lace is an add on..alien to the original holster. I suspect it was added to carry it since the belt loop is un attached underneath it.

The N is GI graffitti. Likely an initial for identification. Not original to the holster nor is a German mark.

Your holster seems to be in decent shape even though it has some severe damage..the worst is the missing roller closure buckle. Second is the crack/split in the front near the pull-up strap. I believe this holster could be restored. The stitching appears to be torn loose on some edges..it was made of a plant fiber and is slowly but surely weakening.

Jerry Burney

cma22inc · 09-25-2009, 01:19 PM

Get that thing to Jerry if anyone can repair it he can.

You will not be disappointed.

vernonsmith · 09-26-2009, 06:46 AM

Can anyone let me know if this holster is worth restored at all? Will the value of a restored holster better than an original unrestored holster (think original bad condition Luger vs. re-blued Luger)? I thought best to keep everything original apparently the damage is not going to do it any good.

I am very keen to keep the holster with the gun and would love to get it repaired if that will increase its value after the restoration, otherwise I will just leave it as it is and leave it somewhere in the storeroom.

Thanks in advance.

wlyon · 09-26-2009, 11:51 AM

I do not believe in restoring lugers. Possible exception being a very rare variety. I do believe in repairing leather. But then only if it is done by an expert such as Jerry B. His work is excellent and correct. Correctly repaired your holster will be more valuable. Is it worth repairing? Ask Jerry. Bill

lugerholsterrepair · 09-26-2009, 12:27 PM

Bill thinks much the same way I do. On the other hand..If you had a Luger with a missing part..sideplate or grips, would you find those parts and put them on? I would. A pistol with missing parts is less valuble..even worthless.
I have said often it's all about what kind of collector you are. If you do the job right all is well in the end. Make it like it was and no one will notice. Bugger it up and you have done yourself no favors.

Jerry Burney

vernonsmith · 09-26-2009, 07:49 PM

Nicely said Bill and Jerry! The holster is on its way to you Jerry. Thank you both sooooooooooo much for the advice.

Regards.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-26-2009, 08:17 PM

Vernon..Send it to the address seen in this post. Howard Colorado. In 3 weeks I will be leaving for my Winter home in Yuma AZ. I should get in time to take it with me. No matter what it would follow me there...
As for payment..I send your holster back to you with an invoice for the work and return shipping. If you like the work..pay the invoice. If you prefer Pay Pal I will send along how to do that.
I appreciate your trust & confidence!
Thanks!
Jerry Burney

suum cuique · 10-13-2009, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vernonsmith

I have just recently acquired an all matching (including mag) 1917 DWM Military Luger as well as this holster. Pity the holster it's all torn up, don't think it will worth much. It seemed to have a stamp 'J.M.ECKART 1917 ULM A/D.' under the flap. Nothing else was stamp except a big 'N' at the back can anyone identify this holster? Is it correct to come with the pistol? Also it comes with some sort of lace/string I have never seen one with a Luger holster before.

It is a quite interesting leather sling attached to the holster.
Was this sling, connected to the gun, wide spread and often used to prevent the lost of the gun?

vernonsmith · 10-13-2009, 11:26 AM

Actually I think the sling/lace are use to hold or tie the belt keeper to the holster as the threads between the belt keeper and the holster were torn off.

RichSr · 10-13-2009, 01:08 PM

That question was answered earlier in the post (see #4 above). Perhaps reading the post instead of just looking at the pictures would save you from again asking a question which has already been answered.

alanint · 10-13-2009, 01:37 PM

Cutting and pasting the original post, including the entire line of photos is a waste of time and bandwith, as well.....

suum cuique · 10-14-2009, 11:07 PM

Rich,
posting #4 did not answer this part of my general question: QUOTE
Was this sling, connected to the gun, wide spread and often used to prevent the loss of the gun?
__________________

I ment: Was a lace often used to prevent the loss of the gun?

vernonsmith · 11-10-2009, 06:46 AM

From the aboves, to these...

I received this back from Jerry today in the mail long way down under here in Australia. I couldn't believe my eyes when I opened the box. I can only call Jerry Burney the 'Magician'!!!

What a TOP job by Jerry. My BEST spent money goes to this holster. I took the risk of losing the holster sending it half way around the globe to someone I don't know to get it fixed and Jerry can be trusted 101%.

I highly recommend anyone who wants their holster to be repaired to see Jerry I don't think no one can do a better job than him. Hats off to you Jerry Thank you.

Douglas Jr. · 11-10-2009, 08:25 AM

An outstanding restoration. Everytime I see Jerry's work I became more and more attached to the idea that he has a divine gift.

Need to save some money to send you my P.04 Navy holster!

Douglas

worldoftone · 11-10-2009, 10:11 AM

WOW! That looks awesome!

- WOT

lugerholsterrepair · 11-10-2009, 12:04 PM

Vernon, NRN..I am happy to hear the old Soldier is home again. Quite the round trip down under!
I am pleased to hear you like the work. Thanks, I appreciate your patronage.

Kerry Burney

Ice · 11-10-2009, 01:28 PM

Beautiful work as always.

Charlie

09-25-2009, 12:54 AM	#1
vernonsmith User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	1917 Luger Holster I have just recently acquired an all matching (including mag) 1917 DWM Military Luger as well as this holster. Pity the holster it's all torn up, don't think it will worth much. It seemed to have a stamp 'J.M.ECKART 1917 ULM A/D.' under the flap. Nothing else was stamp except a big 'N' at the back can anyone identify this holster? Is it correct to come with the pistol? Also it comes with some sort of lace/string I have never seen one with a Luger holster before.

09-25-2009, 01:19 PM	#5
cma22inc User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tampa Bay FL Posts: 93 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Get that thing to Jerry if anyone can repair it he can. You will not be disappointed. __________________ Matt A. Tampa, FL (C&R) Collector Last edited by cma22inc; 09-26-2009 at 10:50 PM.

09-26-2009, 11:51 AM	#7
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	I do not believe in restoring lugers. Possible exception being a very rare variety. I do believe in repairing leather. But then only if it is done by an expert such as Jerry B. His work is excellent and correct. Correctly repaired your holster will be more valuable. Is it worth repairing? Ask Jerry. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-26-2009, 12:27 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Bill thinks much the same way I do. On the other hand..If you had a Luger with a missing part..sideplate or grips, would you find those parts and put them on? I would. A pistol with missing parts is less valuble..even worthless. I have said often it's all about what kind of collector you are. If you do the job right all is well in the end. Make it like it was and no one will notice. Bugger it up and you have done yourself no favors. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-26-2009, 08:17 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Vernon..Send it to the address seen in this post. Howard Colorado. In 3 weeks I will be leaving for my Winter home in Yuma AZ. I should get in time to take it with me. No matter what it would follow me there... As for payment..I send your holster back to you with an invoice for the work and return shipping. If you like the work..pay the invoice. If you prefer Pay Pal I will send along how to do that. I appreciate your trust & confidence! Thanks! Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-25-2009, 02:22 AM	#2
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	The maker of the holster indicates that your Luger was part of the 13. Army Corps. Eckart in Ulm was THE holster maker for the army of the kingdom Württemberg. The tool is a typicaly DWM tool. Holster and tool are correct with your Luger. Regards Klaus

09-25-2009, 06:44 AM	#3
vernonsmith User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Many thanks for the clarifications Klaus. Any explanations for the big N at the back of the holster? Or it was personally sketched by the previous owners. Cheers.

09-25-2009, 01:06 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Vernon, The lace is an add on..alien to the original holster. I suspect it was added to carry it since the belt loop is un attached underneath it. The N is GI graffitti. Likely an initial for identification. Not original to the holster nor is a German mark. Your holster seems to be in decent shape even though it has some severe damage..the worst is the missing roller closure buckle. Second is the crack/split in the front near the pull-up strap. I believe this holster could be restored. The stitching appears to be torn loose on some edges..it was made of a plant fiber and is slowly but surely weakening. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-26-2009, 06:46 AM	#6
vernonsmith User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Can anyone let me know if this holster is worth restored at all? Will the value of a restored holster better than an original unrestored holster (think original bad condition Luger vs. re-blued Luger)? I thought best to keep everything original apparently the damage is not going to do it any good. I am very keen to keep the holster with the gun and would love to get it repaired if that will increase its value after the restoration, otherwise I will just leave it as it is and leave it somewhere in the storeroom. Thanks in advance.

09-26-2009, 07:49 PM	#9
vernonsmith User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Nicely said Bill and Jerry! The holster is on its way to you Jerry. Thank you both sooooooooooo much for the advice. Regards.

10-13-2009, 11:26 AM	#12
vernonsmith User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Actually I think the sling/lace are use to hold or tie the belt keeper to the holster as the threads between the belt keeper and the holster were torn off.

10-13-2009, 01:08 PM	#13
RichSr User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Texas Posts: 128 Thanks: 153 Thanked 54 Times in 36 Posts	That question was answered earlier in the post (see #4 above). Perhaps reading the post instead of just looking at the pictures would save you from again asking a question which has already been answered. __________________ Rich

10-13-2009, 01:37 PM	#14
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Cutting and pasting the original post, including the entire line of photos is a waste of time and bandwith, as well.....

10-14-2009, 11:07 PM	#15
suum cuique User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: MD / Currently about 9000 klicks east of the Potomac Posts: 497 Thanks: 100 Thanked 47 Times in 35 Posts	Rich, posting #4 did not answer this part of my general question: QUOTE Was this sling, connected to the gun, wide spread and often used to prevent the loss of the gun? __________________ I ment: Was a lace often used to prevent the loss of the gun? __________________ Regards, Andy There's No Place Like Home (Wizard Of Oz)

11-10-2009, 06:46 AM	#16
vernonsmith User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 80 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	From the aboves, to these... I received this back from Jerry today in the mail long way down under here in Australia. I couldn't believe my eyes when I opened the box. I can only call Jerry Burney the 'Magician'!!! What a TOP job by Jerry. My BEST spent money goes to this holster. I took the risk of losing the holster sending it half way around the globe to someone I don't know to get it fixed and Jerry can be trusted 101%. I highly recommend anyone who wants their holster to be repaired to see Jerry I don't think no one can do a better job than him. Hats off to you Jerry Thank you.

11-10-2009, 08:25 AM	#17
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	An outstanding restoration. Everytime I see Jerry's work I became more and more attached to the idea that he has a divine gift. Need to save some money to send you my P.04 Navy holster! Douglas

11-10-2009, 10:11 AM	#18
worldoftone User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 81 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	WOW! That looks awesome! - WOT

11-10-2009, 12:04 PM	#19
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Vernon, NRN..I am happy to hear the old Soldier is home again. Quite the round trip down under! I am pleased to hear you like the work. Thanks, I appreciate your patronage. Kerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-10-2009, 01:28 PM	#20
Ice User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 552 Thanks: 13 Thanked 69 Times in 57 Posts	Beautiful work as always. Charlie