lets play, whats wrong with this luger

Edward Tinker · 01-04-2010, 12:04 AM

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...3553&oh=216543

Comments on this?

Whats the obvious things wrong?

I figure the seller isn't a member, or they'd be a bit more correct...

alvin · 01-04-2010, 12:29 AM

In the book Stalin's Keys To Victory, the author (Walter Dunn Jr) mentioned a phrase "planned obsolescence", by this phrase, Soviet could make 109,815 tanks and SUs during the Great Patriotic War. So, it's a philosophy and stratege when number matters. For gun collecting, maybe "planned obsolescence" could apply under certain consideration.

Regarding the gun, I would say the description being OK except "but nicely done". I would believe that's subjective and very elastic.

Don't know the market. Is the starting price for this condition OK?

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Interesting enough, the author claims "planned obsolescence" was learned from Ford Motors. No wonder ....

HuntMaster · 01-04-2010, 12:43 AM

I'm pretty new at this, but will take a stab... Seller claims all matching, yet there's no #'s on anything visible.
No "BuG" or other proof or acceptance markings .
Doesn't bother to give or photograph the ser#.
Parts not strawed- but he does say possibly a reblue- which it is.
And although nothing wrong, I'm supposing the safety position is "up" on this pistol?

wayne8661 · 01-04-2010, 12:50 AM

Well, One thing I notice is the lack of strawing on this pistol, I dont think the toggle should be blank I would say its supposed to DWM logo, Just my amateur observations

crc · 01-04-2010, 01:03 AM

Blank toggle blued trigger, safety lever,takedown lever.

MFC · 01-04-2010, 01:05 AM

Blank toggle.
Buffed and polished.
Salt blued. Should be rust blued with strawed small parts.
The top of the grip safety (safety bar) should be 'in the white'
The sideplate is from a later model.

Edward Tinker · 01-04-2010, 01:06 AM

BINGO, wayne8661, CRC and Mike, all DWM's (except for the 1930 era when a few thousand were made) had DWM on them. So the comment about them not having it until 1901, that is just weird....

Ed

Ron Wood · 01-04-2010, 02:52 AM

Aside from the total incorrect reblue, neither barrel is original and correct for the gun. The barrel that is on the gun has had the flange almost completely machined away. Looks like it might be a short receiver barrel that has had the threaded portion lengthened by cutting back the flange. Too bad, it is a fairly early piece with a Type II safety.

sheepherder · 01-04-2010, 07:53 AM

I know nothing about the American Eagle Lugers...but E Pluribus Unum on a Luger??? The Great Seal??? I thought the Germans put a generic eagle motif on the chamber...

Live and learn...

alvin · 01-04-2010, 08:18 AM

I read it wrong. It starts at $100, not $2500. The reserve is unknown, probably around $2k. If I had $2k to spend, I would try the G Date (not mine, don't know the seller either).

01-04-2010, 12:04 AM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	lets play, whats wrong with this luger http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...3553&oh=216543 Comments on this? Whats the obvious things wrong? I figure the seller isn't a member, or they'd be a bit more correct... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-04-2010, 01:05 AM	#6
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	Blank toggle. Buffed and polished. Salt blued. Should be rust blued with strawed small parts. The top of the grip safety (safety bar) should be 'in the white' The sideplate is from a later model. __________________ Mike C.

01-04-2010, 01:06 AM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	BINGO, wayne8661, CRC and Mike, all DWM's (except for the 1930 era when a few thousand were made) had DWM on them. So the comment about them not having it until 1901, that is just weird.... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-04-2010, 02:52 AM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Aside from the total incorrect reblue, neither barrel is original and correct for the gun. The barrel that is on the gun has had the flange almost completely machined away. Looks like it might be a short receiver barrel that has had the threaded portion lengthened by cutting back the flange. Too bad, it is a fairly early piece with a Type II safety. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-04-2010, 12:29 AM	#2
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	In the book Stalin's Keys To Victory, the author (Walter Dunn Jr) mentioned a phrase "planned obsolescence", by this phrase, Soviet could make 109,815 tanks and SUs during the Great Patriotic War. So, it's a philosophy and stratege when number matters. For gun collecting, maybe "planned obsolescence" could apply under certain consideration. Regarding the gun, I would say the description being OK except "but nicely done". I would believe that's subjective and very elastic. Don't know the market. Is the starting price for this condition OK? ==== Interesting enough, the author claims "planned obsolescence" was learned from Ford Motors. No wonder ....

01-04-2010, 12:43 AM	#3
HuntMaster User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I'm pretty new at this, but will take a stab... Seller claims all matching, yet there's no #'s on anything visible. No "BuG" or other proof or acceptance markings . Doesn't bother to give or photograph the ser#. Parts not strawed- but he does say possibly a reblue- which it is. And although nothing wrong, I'm supposing the safety position is "up" on this pistol?

01-04-2010, 12:50 AM	#4
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Well, One thing I notice is the lack of strawing on this pistol, I dont think the toggle should be blank I would say its supposed to DWM logo, Just my amateur observations

01-04-2010, 01:03 AM	#5
crc User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: colorado Posts: 66 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Blank toggle blued trigger, safety lever,takedown lever.

01-04-2010, 07:53 AM	#9
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	I know nothing about the American Eagle Lugers...but E Pluribus Unum on a Luger??? The Great Seal??? I thought the Germans put a generic eagle motif on the chamber... Live and learn...

01-04-2010, 08:18 AM	#10
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I read it wrong. It starts at $100, not $2500. The reserve is unknown, probably around $2k. If I had $2k to spend, I would try the G Date (not mine, don't know the seller either).