Luger P.08 bfy

dja9520 · 01-01-2010, 02:03 PM

I got a late Christmas from my uncle, A Luger p.08. What a suprise! any way could ya'll help me with info on the gun? Its marked 41 on top of the reciever next to the barrel, P.08 on the side, byf on the cocking part. sn 4747 and marked C.I.A on the underside of the barrel. thanks in advance dja9520

alvin · 01-01-2010, 02:11 PM

Heard of nickname Black Widow? This is one sample, Mauser made in 1941.

The first time I saw C.I.A. on a SKS was also astonishing... "a spy gun?".... Later, found it's C.A.I. Is the mark under barrel C.I.A. or C.A.I. ?

Edward Tinker · 01-01-2010, 02:23 PM

Looks like a nice shooter and a nice gift!

Ed

dja9520 · 01-01-2010, 02:35 PM

Is there any thing i need to check out before shooting? also how much should i insure the luger for? Im assuming that C.I.A. stands for century international arms import mark? thanks again dja9520

lugerholsterrepair · 01-01-2010, 02:39 PM

DJA, The C.A.I.. This is Century Arms International Vt. or FL. Nice gift regardless.

Jerry Burney

zinfull · 01-01-2010, 03:03 PM

The luger is a shooter so your home owners insurance should cover any loss. It would be around $600-750 for replacement.

jerry

MFC · 01-01-2010, 05:57 PM

The grips, if original, are worth $200-$300 alone.

dja9520 · 01-01-2010, 06:04 PM

how could you tell if there orginal? thanks dja9520

alanint · 01-01-2010, 06:49 PM

Take a fairly close photo of the interior of both grip so originality can be determined

dja9520 · 01-01-2010, 10:30 PM

pic below. Also when was this gun imported? thanks again dja9520

Lugerdoc · 01-02-2010, 10:06 AM

I'd ID your grips shown above as postwar Finnish made replacements. Many of the CIA imported Finnish imports with 9mm Tikka replacement barrels came into the US with these grips. TH

dja9520 · 01-04-2010, 02:41 PM

Any idea when these came into the country? thanks again dja9520

alanint · 01-04-2010, 03:49 PM

Your best chance of determining this would be to contact Century International Arms and give them the serial number.
My best guess would be early 1990s, after the Soviet Union fell. The collapse opened up the floodgates to Russian capture weapons as the US eased import restrictions as a gesture of support for the new Russia

tharpo · 01-04-2010, 03:56 PM

The grips may be original as they appear to be Type 4 in Taudelts grip study.
One hole low each side with the 2 little "0"s on the right inside grip.
http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=8859

dja9520 · 01-04-2010, 04:05 PM

thanks for the link on the grips, the left grip looks like type 1, and the right looks like type 4. thanks dja9520

Lugerdoc · 01-05-2010, 10:58 AM

The first large shipment of Finnish lugers (most mismatched with 7.65x98mm barrels) that I recall CAI importing was about 30 years ago. I know that SOG was also selling, mostly 9mm rebarreled ones, just a couple of years ago. TH

Madcow · 03-09-2010, 10:35 PM

Are there any indicated differences between a black widow and a wood gripped on the gun?

MikeP · 03-11-2010, 01:53 AM

They called them Blck Widows because everything was black.
Grips, mag bottoms, and finish on pistol.

It was a term coined to sell these.

Back in "the day" they were considered the least collectable other than maybe .30 commercials.

I remember well in the early 60s we turned up our noses at complete BYF 41 rigs for $50.

01-01-2010, 02:03 PM	#1
dja9520 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger P.08 bfy I got a late Christmas from my uncle, A Luger p.08. What a suprise! any way could ya'll help me with info on the gun? Its marked 41 on top of the reciever next to the barrel, P.08 on the side, byf on the cocking part. sn 4747 and marked C.I.A on the underside of the barrel. thanks in advance dja9520 Attached Thumbnails

01-01-2010, 02:23 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Looks like a nice shooter and a nice gift! Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-01-2010, 02:39 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	DJA, The C.A.I.. This is Century Arms International Vt. or FL. Nice gift regardless. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-01-2010, 05:57 PM	#7
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	The grips, if original, are worth $200-$300 alone. __________________ Mike C.

01-01-2010, 10:30 PM	#10
dja9520 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	pic below. Also when was this gun imported? thanks again dja9520 Attached Thumbnails

01-01-2010, 02:11 PM	#2
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Heard of nickname Black Widow? This is one sample, Mauser made in 1941. The first time I saw C.I.A. on a SKS was also astonishing... "a spy gun?".... Later, found it's C.A.I. Is the mark under barrel C.I.A. or C.A.I. ?

01-01-2010, 02:35 PM	#4
dja9520 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is there any thing i need to check out before shooting? also how much should i insure the luger for? Im assuming that C.I.A. stands for century international arms import mark? thanks again dja9520

01-01-2010, 03:03 PM	#6
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 243 Thanks: 5 Thanked 33 Times in 16 Posts	The luger is a shooter so your home owners insurance should cover any loss. It would be around $600-750 for replacement. jerry

01-01-2010, 06:04 PM	#8
dja9520 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	how could you tell if there orginal? thanks dja9520

01-01-2010, 06:49 PM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Take a fairly close photo of the interior of both grip so originality can be determined

01-02-2010, 10:06 AM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	I'd ID your grips shown above as postwar Finnish made replacements. Many of the CIA imported Finnish imports with 9mm Tikka replacement barrels came into the US with these grips. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

01-04-2010, 02:41 PM	#12
dja9520 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Any idea when these came into the country? thanks again dja9520

01-04-2010, 03:49 PM	#13
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Your best chance of determining this would be to contact Century International Arms and give them the serial number. My best guess would be early 1990s, after the Soviet Union fell. The collapse opened up the floodgates to Russian capture weapons as the US eased import restrictions as a gesture of support for the new Russia

01-04-2010, 03:56 PM	#14
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 116 Thanked 382 Times in 157 Posts	The grips may be original as they appear to be Type 4 in Taudelts grip study. One hole low each side with the 2 little "0"s on the right inside grip. http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?t=8859

01-04-2010, 04:05 PM	#15
dja9520 User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks for the link on the grips, the left grip looks like type 1, and the right looks like type 4. thanks dja9520 Last edited by dja9520; 01-04-2010 at 10:43 PM.

01-05-2010, 10:58 AM	#16
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	The first large shipment of Finnish lugers (most mismatched with 7.65x98mm barrels) that I recall CAI importing was about 30 years ago. I know that SOG was also selling, mostly 9mm rebarreled ones, just a couple of years ago. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

03-09-2010, 10:35 PM	#17
Madcow User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 53 Thanks: 1 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Are there any indicated differences between a black widow and a wood gripped on the gun? __________________ Don't take life too seriously, because your not going to make it out alive.

03-11-2010, 01:53 AM	#18
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	They called them Blck Widows because everything was black. Grips, mag bottoms, and finish on pistol. It was a term coined to sell these. Back in "the day" they were considered the least collectable other than maybe .30 commercials. I remember well in the early 60s we turned up our noses at complete BYF 41 rigs for $50.