'SONS OF GUNS' ON Discovery Channel a must see - Page 2

wlyon · 04-03-2011, 09:11 PM

I have only watched part of this show once. It makes one wonder if antigun money is supporting it. I can only see poor publicity coming from it. Just my opinion. Bill

sonofab-17pilot · 04-05-2011, 08:47 AM

I almost cried when they pulled that hatchet job on the 30cal. to make it hand held..!!

Doug

silverknife · 04-05-2011, 07:07 PM

Yes, that 1919 was pretty nice. Then there was the time they butchered up a 1928A1 semi-auto Thompson into a full auto "entry weapon" for a local sheriff who, I guess, had never heard of the H&K MP5. I've had my fair share of fun with full auto Thompsons and the MP5, although I can't say that I've kicked in a lot of doors in a Conga line...but still, my choice would not be the more difficult to control, more likely to penetrate people and then walls .45 ACP over the far more easily controlled, more accurate 9mm. A double or triple tap from the 9 will discourage the bad guy from continuing his anti-social behavior with as much authority as the .45 and be way more likely to go where it was intended.

My point is that the whole exercise was, IMHO a stupid waste of taxpayer money and an ill conceived project from the get-go. Put differently, it was a solution to a problem which did'nt exist. Then the other night we had them put together water cooled twin M-16's mounted on a small boat.

Of course their restoration of the demilled MP43 was pretty nice so once in a while the show has something to offer.

Regards,
Doug

Olle · 04-05-2011, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by silverknife

Then there was the time they butchered up a 1928A1 seni-auto Thompson into a full auto "entry weapon" for a local sheriff who, I guess, had never heard of the H&K MP5.

But it was quite impressive to see how they turned it into an SBR by just carrying it to the shop... Is it just my old eyes, or did they really work on the same gun that the sheriff turned in? Looked like a 16" when he put it on the counter, but looked way shorter in the next scene, before they even started working on it...

aptech77 · 04-05-2011, 10:44 PM

I noticed that also, definitely two different tommys.

silverknife · 04-05-2011, 11:26 PM

Might they have just shortened the original bbl to make it more CQB friendly?? I did not pick up on the change in bbl length until they were demonstrating the weapon to the sheriff.

saab-bob · 04-06-2011, 12:00 AM

I also watched the Thompson episode. Didn't I hear them say the Thompson was a new manufacture Semi-Auto? These are manufactured by Auto-Ordnance who is owned by Kahr Arms.
I seem to remember one of them saying the 50 round drum was old and real.
Maybe I was to busy watching Stephanie?
Bob

Olle · 04-06-2011, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by saab-bob

Didn't I hear them say the Thompson was a new manufacture Semi-Auto? These are manufactured by Auto-Ordnance who is owned by Kahr Arms.
I seem to remember one of them saying the 50 round drum was old and real.
Maybe I was to busy watching Stephanie?
Bob

I believe the sheriff won it (or maybe it was donated) but it was a commercial semi-auto version with a stick magazine... until they carried it to the shop, that is.

I couldn't find the scene where they were discussing it with the sheriff, but here's the scene where he brings it to the shop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZd_gXoqzo

Clearly a shorter barrel than the 16" version you'll find in the gun stores. Also note how the guy walks into the shop, gun in hand and with his finger on the trigger... "We're professionals, don't try this at home!"

alanint · 04-06-2011, 05:50 PM

What he walks into the shop with is a full auto, standard West Hurley, (obvious from the poorly formed vertical foregrip and the lack of a cross pin retainer on the undersized Cutts Compensator) 10" barreled 1928A1 Thompson.
You can clearly see both the safety and selector on this gun, as well as the full auto charging handle. This is not the semi version.
The drum is the oversized 100 rounder.

Olle · 04-06-2011, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

What he walks into the shop with is a full auto, standard West Hurley, (obvious from the poorly formed vertical foregrip and the lack of a cross pin retainer on the undersized Cutts Compensator) 10" barreled 1928A1 Thompson.
You can clearly see both the safety and selector on this gun, as well as the full auto charging handle. This is not the semi version.
The drum is the oversized 100 rounder.

Thanks, that's what I suspected. And he still says that it's a semi auto replica that they are going to convert. So a full auto conversion is easy then: Just swap the semi auto gun for a full auto gun and you're done.

cirelaw · 04-06-2011, 07:25 PM

Do You think the sheriff was in on it?

Olle · 04-06-2011, 07:42 PM

Long thread on Sniper's Hide: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubb...2467280&page=1

Oh, I almost forgot my favorite: The shotgun they shortened. One dude cutting it with a hacksaw, and the other dude complaining: "Hey, that ain't straight". Gunsmithing at it's finest.

alanint · 04-06-2011, 07:43 PM

I think a LOT of license is taken on this show, as with all reality shows. Have you ever seen them fill out NFA paperwork? Any waiting periods? How can someone just leave an NFA weapon there without a form 5 transfer?? etc. , etc.

Much as I dislike this show, I can understand how the goobers out there will fail to be entertained by all the waiting and intricacies of NFA transfers. This is about shootin' stuff!!

alanint · 04-06-2011, 07:45 PM

There is only one trained gunsmith on the premises. The rest are all Dremel Droolers....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olle

Long thread on Sniper's Hide: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubb...2467280&page=1

Oh, I almost forgot my favorite: The shotgun they shortened. One dude cutting it with a hacksaw, and the other dude complaining: "Hey, that ain't straight". Gunsmithing at it's finest.

cirelaw · 04-06-2011, 08:19 PM

I must admit I know absolutly nothing about Gunsmith as a profession. I was so very impressed with gunsmiths or gunmakers like John Vermont Martz. These are the real masters now what appears to be a few good old boys getting together perfecting pipe bombs. I couldn't beleive what they admitted using preriged a target with explosives to impress his purchaser. Instead I would find it more interesting to watch the skills of the true engravers or designers making pieces like John, not mearly how to blow up things. I can watch Mythbusters who have all the safeguards and have interfaced their audience taking every safeguard and give warning throughout the show. I don't know. This show just bugs me. What scares me is that someday, there might be a mistake or distracion. I just hope and pray so innocent bystander is permanently hust or scarrred. I would invite the opinion of a few masters that aren't constanly distracted by television cameras and love to keep excellance as their top priority!

04-03-2011, 09:11 PM	#21
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	I have only watched part of this show once. It makes one wonder if antigun money is supporting it. I can only see poor publicity coming from it. Just my opinion. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

04-05-2011, 08:47 AM	#22
sonofab-17pilot User Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: East Norriton, Pa Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sons of Guns I almost cried when they pulled that hatchet job on the 30cal. to make it hand held..!! Doug

04-05-2011, 07:07 PM	#23
silverknife User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Western New York Posts: 78 Thanks: 11 Thanked 19 Times in 13 Posts	Yes, that 1919 was pretty nice. Then there was the time they butchered up a 1928A1 semi-auto Thompson into a full auto "entry weapon" for a local sheriff who, I guess, had never heard of the H&K MP5. I've had my fair share of fun with full auto Thompsons and the MP5, although I can't say that I've kicked in a lot of doors in a Conga line...but still, my choice would not be the more difficult to control, more likely to penetrate people and then walls .45 ACP over the far more easily controlled, more accurate 9mm. A double or triple tap from the 9 will discourage the bad guy from continuing his anti-social behavior with as much authority as the .45 and be way more likely to go where it was intended. My point is that the whole exercise was, IMHO a stupid waste of taxpayer money and an ill conceived project from the get-go. Put differently, it was a solution to a problem which did'nt exist. Then the other night we had them put together water cooled twin M-16's mounted on a small boat. Of course their restoration of the demilled MP43 was pretty nice so once in a while the show has something to offer. Regards, Doug Last edited by silverknife; 04-05-2011 at 11:27 PM. Reason: fixed a typo

04-06-2011, 12:00 AM	#27
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	I also watched the Thompson episode. Didn't I hear them say the Thompson was a new manufacture Semi-Auto? These are manufactured by Auto-Ordnance who is owned by Kahr Arms. I seem to remember one of them saying the 50 round drum was old and real. Maybe I was to busy watching Stephanie? Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

04-05-2011, 10:44 PM	#25
aptech77 User Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 85 Thanks: 10 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	I noticed that also, definitely two different tommys.

04-05-2011, 11:26 PM	#26
silverknife User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Western New York Posts: 78 Thanks: 11 Thanked 19 Times in 13 Posts	Might they have just shortened the original bbl to make it more CQB friendly?? I did not pick up on the change in bbl length until they were demonstrating the weapon to the sheriff.

04-06-2011, 05:50 PM	#29
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	What he walks into the shop with is a full auto, standard West Hurley, (obvious from the poorly formed vertical foregrip and the lack of a cross pin retainer on the undersized Cutts Compensator) 10" barreled 1928A1 Thompson. You can clearly see both the safety and selector on this gun, as well as the full auto charging handle. This is not the semi version. The drum is the oversized 100 rounder.

04-06-2011, 07:25 PM	#31
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Do You think the sheriff was in on it?

04-06-2011, 07:42 PM	#32
Olle User Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,149 Thanks: 159 Thanked 663 Times in 318 Posts	Long thread on Sniper's Hide: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubb...2467280&page=1 Oh, I almost forgot my favorite: The shotgun they shortened. One dude cutting it with a hacksaw, and the other dude complaining: "Hey, that ain't straight". Gunsmithing at it's finest.

04-06-2011, 07:43 PM	#33
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I think a LOT of license is taken on this show, as with all reality shows. Have you ever seen them fill out NFA paperwork? Any waiting periods? How can someone just leave an NFA weapon there without a form 5 transfer?? etc. , etc. Much as I dislike this show, I can understand how the goobers out there will fail to be entertained by all the waiting and intricacies of NFA transfers. This is about shootin' stuff!!

04-06-2011, 08:19 PM	#35
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I must admit I know absolutly nothing about Gunsmith as a profession. I was so very impressed with gunsmiths or gunmakers like John Vermont Martz. These are the real masters now what appears to be a few good old boys getting together perfecting pipe bombs. I couldn't beleive what they admitted using preriged a target with explosives to impress his purchaser. Instead I would find it more interesting to watch the skills of the true engravers or designers making pieces like John, not mearly how to blow up things. I can watch Mythbusters who have all the safeguards and have interfaced their audience taking every safeguard and give warning throughout the show. I don't know. This show just bugs me. What scares me is that someday, there might be a mistake or distracion. I just hope and pray so innocent bystander is permanently hust or scarrred. I would invite the opinion of a few masters that aren't constanly distracted by television cameras and love to keep excellance as their top priority!