Luger ammo - Page 2

Kyrie · 03-10-2001, 12:56 AM

Hi Rick,

Don't worry about stupid questions, my friend - worry about stupid answers. Over the years I've heard many more stupid answers than I've heard stupid questions

But to answer your question, "too hot" just means excessive chamber pressure. That can be due to too heavy a propellant charge, a bullet too heavy for a proper propellant charge, a bullet too large for the bore, an incorrect propellant and a host of other things. But the basic concern is excessive chamber pressure.

Hope this helps!

Best regards,

Kyrie

Rick K · 03-10-2001, 01:09 AM

Thanks Kyrie,

When you buy ammunition, is there some indication of the charge in the cartridge? All I see is the bullet weight in grains indicated on the box. I have been shooting some Russian military ammo with 124 gr. fmj. I have also bought some Lellier & Bellot 115 gr. fmj that seems to be pretty good quality ammo.

Mark · 03-10-2001, 01:46 AM

Gruss Gott,Rick K.!

I'm also thankful for those in the forum like

you who have the sense I lack to ask the questions

that need to be be answered! That one about dry-fire

was direct and to the point. I never would have bothered to ask.In my ignorance of the mechanics of

the pistol,I considered it settled(at least in my

own mind).Thanks again for raising the issue.Thanks

to you,Ted,for addressing it.

Tschuss! Mark

Michael E Halbrook · 03-10-2001, 04:11 AM

I shoot the Artillery Luger that I have showing in the

owners corner "MIKE" with and without the Sarco stock

and holster.

Before I started shooting it I installed some replacement

parts and set aside the originals for the "possible" day I needed to sell the gun.

I replaced the firing pin with the later style with the relief grooves, put a chunk of rubber from an O-ring in the

firing pin spring to act as a buffer, installed a replacement firing pin retainer and glued a chunk of rubber

on that as a further buffer.

I fire handloads ONLY in the pistol, 124gr lead bullet

with 4.7gr of Unique. This load will not lock the action open hand held, but will lock the action open all the time

with the stock attached. I've gotten some 1" 25 yard groups

with this combination WITHOUT the stock!

This load works well in all my other 9mm pistols as well.

YMMD

Mike Halbrook

Wombat · 03-10-2001, 05:00 AM

I always use CORBON ++P 9mm hollow points in my Luger when I am at the range for hours at a time.

okay, just kidding. !! don't do that.

The Sellot & Belliot 9mm works great, and is excellent made ammo. Some report that the South African commercial 9mm works well too. PMP that is. I've used it in other guns, but not the Luger. Works well too! and cheap.

www.aimsurplus.com sells the S&B 9mm very cheap! check it out.

I think it's like $110 per case of 1000 rounds. I bought one of these a couple months ago, and have been very pleased. the shipping was about $12 or so to Georgia here.

Kyrie · 03-10-2001, 09:04 AM

Hi Rick,

No sir, there is not - with one exception. This exception is ammunition that is "+P" or "+P+". A label of "+P" indicates the ammunition is capable of producing pressures in excess of normally allowed pressures, and the ammunition may produce excessive wear or be damaging to any firearm in which it is used. Not all cartridges have a "+P" standard, and in cartridges that lack a "+P" standard the "+P" marking simply means the ammunition is potentially dangerous to fire.

"+P+" has no technical definition, and usually means the ammunition so tagged is capable of reaching pressures in excess of those produced by "+P" ammunition.

The one exception to all of this is .38 Super ACP. The .38 Super has *only* a "+P" standard. There is no non-+P load. The reasons for this are a little complicated and obscure, and I won't get into it unless there is some interest - it's not really related to Lugers

Best regards,

Kyrie

Ted · 03-10-2001, 10:27 AM

Kyrie is 100% right on in the first statement about standard ammo (non +p) If your weapon doesnt function with that there is a problem with it mechanically. I think the influx of lots of mismatched part Lugers and Lugers that have had an improper barrel change (torquing the reciever forks out of alignment with the frame and twisting the breech track into a slight spiral have started this myth about hot ammo being the way to go. It isn't. Ted

Dok · 03-10-2001, 03:25 PM

but haven't used 'em yet... cuz Ted won't give me my Luger back...

Dok · 03-10-2001, 03:30 PM

strive to be the finest site of its kind. Newbies are encouraged to ask and learn. Some other sites beliitle you for asking stupid questions. Not only is that self-defeating, but if you don't ask, how can you learn!

Ted · 03-10-2001, 04:32 PM

That is one of our most favorite things to do on the forum! Answer questions.....everybody benefits! I really enjoy answering them and I have a few questions of my own to ask. NEVER be afraid to ask......we are here to help! Ted

Rick K · 03-10-2001, 07:14 PM

Thanks Dok and Ted. You guys are the best.

Ted · 03-10-2001, 07:21 PM

You're Welcome, it is fun for us too!

03-11-2001, 01:35 AM

I use the PMP in my Luger, works very well. I had problems with the S&B. S&B loads the 9mm a little hotter, around 100 fps faster than most American commercial loads, at least for the 115 gr.

03-10-2001, 12:56 AM	#21
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Luger ammo Hi Rick, Don't worry about stupid questions, my friend - worry about stupid answers. Over the years I've heard many more stupid answers than I've heard stupid questions But to answer your question, "too hot" just means excessive chamber pressure. That can be due to too heavy a propellant charge, a bullet too heavy for a proper propellant charge, a bullet too large for the bore, an incorrect propellant and a host of other things. But the basic concern is excessive chamber pressure. Hope this helps! Best regards, Kyrie

03-10-2001, 01:09 AM	#22
Rick K User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cochran, GA Posts: 305 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Luger ammo Thanks Kyrie, When you buy ammunition, is there some indication of the charge in the cartridge? All I see is the bullet weight in grains indicated on the box. I have been shooting some Russian military ammo with 124 gr. fmj. I have also bought some Lellier & Bellot 115 gr. fmj that seems to be pretty good quality ammo.

03-10-2001, 01:46 AM	#23
Mark Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Dry Fire Question Gruss Gott,Rick K.! I'm also thankful for those in the forum like you who have the sense I lack to ask the questions that need to be be answered! That one about dry-fire was direct and to the point. I never would have bothered to ask.In my ignorance of the mechanics of the pistol,I considered it settled(at least in my own mind).Thanks again for raising the issue.Thanks to you,Ted,for addressing it. Tschuss! Mark

03-10-2001, 04:11 AM	#24
Michael E Halbrook User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Nampa, ID Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Shooting Lugers I shoot the Artillery Luger that I have showing in the owners corner "MIKE" with and without the Sarco stock and holster. Before I started shooting it I installed some replacement parts and set aside the originals for the "possible" day I needed to sell the gun. I replaced the firing pin with the later style with the relief grooves, put a chunk of rubber from an O-ring in the firing pin spring to act as a buffer, installed a replacement firing pin retainer and glued a chunk of rubber on that as a further buffer. I fire handloads ONLY in the pistol, 124gr lead bullet with 4.7gr of Unique. This load will not lock the action open hand held, but will lock the action open all the time with the stock attached. I've gotten some 1" 25 yard groups with this combination WITHOUT the stock! This load works well in all my other 9mm pistols as well. YMMD Mike Halbrook

03-10-2001, 05:00 AM	#25
Wombat User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 89 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	CORBON 9MM AMMO I always use CORBON ++P 9mm hollow points in my Luger when I am at the range for hours at a time. okay, just kidding. !! don't do that. The Sellot & Belliot 9mm works great, and is excellent made ammo. Some report that the South African commercial 9mm works well too. PMP that is. I've used it in other guns, but not the Luger. Works well too! and cheap. www.aimsurplus.com sells the S&B 9mm very cheap! check it out. I think it's like $110 per case of 1000 rounds. I bought one of these a couple months ago, and have been very pleased. the shipping was about $12 or so to Georgia here.

03-10-2001, 09:04 AM	#26
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Luger ammo Hi Rick, No sir, there is not - with one exception. This exception is ammunition that is "+P" or "+P+". A label of "+P" indicates the ammunition is capable of producing pressures in excess of normally allowed pressures, and the ammunition may produce excessive wear or be damaging to any firearm in which it is used. Not all cartridges have a "+P" standard, and in cartridges that lack a "+P" standard the "+P" marking simply means the ammunition is potentially dangerous to fire. "+P+" has no technical definition, and usually means the ammunition so tagged is capable of reaching pressures in excess of those produced by "+P" ammunition. The one exception to all of this is .38 Super ACP. The .38 Super has only a "+P" standard. There is no non-+P load. The reasons for this are a little complicated and obscure, and I won't get into it unless there is some interest - it's not really related to Lugers Best regards, Kyrie

03-10-2001, 10:27 AM	#27
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Luger ammo Kyrie is 100% right on in the first statement about standard ammo (non +p) If your weapon doesnt function with that there is a problem with it mechanically. I think the influx of lots of mismatched part Lugers and Lugers that have had an improper barrel change (torquing the reciever forks out of alignment with the frame and twisting the breech track into a slight spiral have started this myth about hot ammo being the way to go. It isn't. Ted

03-10-2001, 03:25 PM	#28
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I have some of those also... but haven't used 'em yet... cuz Ted won't give me my Luger back...

03-10-2001, 03:30 PM	#29
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Rick, we here on the Luger Forum... strive to be the finest site of its kind. Newbies are encouraged to ask and learn. Some other sites beliitle you for asking stupid questions. Not only is that self-defeating, but if you don't ask, how can you learn!

03-10-2001, 04:32 PM	#30
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Rick, we here on the Luger Forum... That is one of our most favorite things to do on the forum! Answer questions.....everybody benefits! I really enjoy answering them and I have a few questions of my own to ask. NEVER be afraid to ask......we are here to help! Ted

03-10-2001, 07:14 PM	#31
Rick K User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cochran, GA Posts: 305 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Rick, we here on the Luger Forum... Thanks Dok and Ted. You guys are the best.

03-10-2001, 07:21 PM	#32
Ted User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: SC Posts: 726 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Rick, we here on the Luger Forum... You're Welcome, it is fun for us too!

03-11-2001, 01:35 AM	#33
john m Guest Posts: n/a	Re: CORBON 9MM AMMO I use the PMP in my Luger, works very well. I had problems with the S&B. S&B loads the 9mm a little hotter, around 100 fps faster than most American commercial loads, at least for the 115 gr.