WW II bring back

tbone176 · 03-02-2012, 10:35 PM

Hi everyone,

My question is, if a 1939 P08 has Nazi proof marks and no import stamps, does that mean (with a high degree of certainty) that it is a WWII bring back. I understand that most anybody could acquire the tools to make a fake, but outside of that, would those two conditions most likely mean a bring back?

Thanks

alanint · 03-02-2012, 11:05 PM

There is a good chance this is a bring-back. Extensive photos would help, including detasiled photos of the gun's rails, where some of the kinder importers placed their stamps..

DavidJayUden · 03-02-2012, 11:28 PM

Am I mistaken or did imports not require marks prior to the GCA of 1968?

padredan · 03-02-2012, 11:30 PM

HMMM, not sure , but i think you maybe right about that.

Edward Tinker · 03-02-2012, 11:59 PM

yes, from what I understand, there were tens of thousands of lugers imported after the war that were not import marked.

Ed

padredan · 03-03-2012, 12:06 AM

yes, the import stamps and the points system on importation began with the 68 gca

tbone176 · 03-03-2012, 09:31 AM

Ok, thanks everyone..I will post pix when I can. So would it be safe to say that a 39 P08 with Nazi proofs would have probably been used in the war, but not necessarily captured by an allied soldier. How do you tell military issued P08 from those that were issued to police?

tbone176 · 03-03-2012, 09:34 AM

Another question, did Luger production stop with the end of the war or did some other country besides Nazi Germany make pistols after the war that could have been imported w/o import stamps before 68?

alvin · 03-03-2012, 09:48 AM

I heard story saying people add one or two Lugers into trading to make a gun deal fair in 1950s or 60s (?). That story, if true, it must be hard for new Luger production to make any profit at that time. If the receiver is 1939 marked, it's most likely a bring-back. If comes with capture paper, that piece of paper worth some money. If not, it's by imagination, bring-back could be true, but verbal story's value is ...... at least should not be counted. More importantly, it must be original and matching, if asking premium.

alanint · 03-03-2012, 12:36 PM

The French assembled some pistols post war out of parts and then Mauser offered first refurbished, then new production pistols in the 70s,80s. All those would be obvious for what they were.
Remember that occupying troops post war were bringing back boatloads of this stuff, as were Interarms and other importers. After 1968 all these imports required markings.

tbone176 · 03-03-2012, 03:16 PM

Thanks everyone..I will be posting pix when I can..I appreciate the opportunity to learn from all of you.

03-02-2012, 10:35 PM	#1
tbone176 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	WW II bring back Hi everyone, My question is, if a 1939 P08 has Nazi proof marks and no import stamps, does that mean (with a high degree of certainty) that it is a WWII bring back. I understand that most anybody could acquire the tools to make a fake, but outside of that, would those two conditions most likely mean a bring back? Thanks

03-02-2012, 11:30 PM	#4
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	HMMM, not sure , but i think you maybe right about that. __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

03-03-2012, 12:06 AM	#6
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	yes, the import stamps and the points system on importation began with the 68 gca __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

03-02-2012, 11:05 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	There is a good chance this is a bring-back. Extensive photos would help, including detasiled photos of the gun's rails, where some of the kinder importers placed their stamps..

03-02-2012, 11:28 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Am I mistaken or did imports not require marks prior to the GCA of 1968?

03-02-2012, 11:59 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	yes, from what I understand, there were tens of thousands of lugers imported after the war that were not import marked. Ed

03-03-2012, 09:31 AM	#7
tbone176 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok, thanks everyone..I will post pix when I can. So would it be safe to say that a 39 P08 with Nazi proofs would have probably been used in the war, but not necessarily captured by an allied soldier. How do you tell military issued P08 from those that were issued to police?

03-03-2012, 09:34 AM	#8
tbone176 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Another question, did Luger production stop with the end of the war or did some other country besides Nazi Germany make pistols after the war that could have been imported w/o import stamps before 68?

03-03-2012, 09:48 AM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I heard story saying people add one or two Lugers into trading to make a gun deal fair in 1950s or 60s (?). That story, if true, it must be hard for new Luger production to make any profit at that time. If the receiver is 1939 marked, it's most likely a bring-back. If comes with capture paper, that piece of paper worth some money. If not, it's by imagination, bring-back could be true, but verbal story's value is ...... at least should not be counted. More importantly, it must be original and matching, if asking premium.

03-03-2012, 12:36 PM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The French assembled some pistols post war out of parts and then Mauser offered first refurbished, then new production pistols in the 70s,80s. All those would be obvious for what they were. Remember that occupying troops post war were bringing back boatloads of this stuff, as were Interarms and other importers. After 1968 all these imports required markings.

03-03-2012, 03:16 PM	#11
tbone176 User Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks everyone..I will be posting pix when I can..I appreciate the opportunity to learn from all of you.