odd ball KU - Page 2

phillyriverrat57 · 08-10-2012, 10:23 PM

being that i came in here here to inquire about something i can find little info about, and after being condemed so fast,on a pistol i bought, and knowing little about it and something the german kept no records on and probably built on a armoury level, i seriously doubt i will really be comming back in there with the attitude i got. these are not a standard luger, and instead of helping someone, it seems like people here are more interested in pissing people off than trying to help or figure out a mystery

sheepherder · 08-10-2012, 10:39 PM

People here are just curious about the KU Krieghoff's...

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Originally Posted by phillyriverrat57

... i have had 5 gun shops in philadelphia look at it and we even conpared the markings on another Ku marked luger, they are the same...

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Originally Posted by phillyriverrat57

the markings were compared to 2 other lugers in a very well known gun shop, the owners father has been in buisness since the 1930's and heis son now runs the shop, he brought in 2 KU guns from his peosonal collections, the marks were the same...

Could you post the name & address of the shops with the markings that are the same as yours???

I did business with a shop just shy of City Center on Broad St...Bought a Browning there...And the Philly Police Dept walked my permit through (I was active duty/Philly Naval Base)...

Lugerdoc · 08-11-2012, 08:47 AM

Philly, I see that John S. also noticed that the slide show signs of non-original renumbering. I'm basing my OPINION on having owned a few righteous KUs over the years, the photos in Gibson's "The Kreighoff Parabellum and that he shows no receivers dated before 1940. TH

sheepherder · 08-11-2012, 09:32 PM

Harry -

I dug out my Philly Pistol permit (purchase only; no carry)...and the receipt for my browning 380 auto...Pearsons...Was this the place???

Took about two hours for the whole transaction...That includes the walk-through for the permit...

Imagine...A Philadelphia Police Lieutenant took time out of his busy day to fingerprint, photograph, and background check a Marine so he could purchase a pistol...

Ya gotta love Police like that!!!

alanint · 08-12-2012, 01:39 AM

Lookin' good, Rich!
I too am looking forward to a documentation from all these top flight, expert gun shops in Philly who have rendered scholarly opinions on this KU Luger.

Lugerdoc · 08-12-2012, 08:16 AM

Philly et al, I'm of the "school" that the original ku marked lugers were built by a Luft repair depot using spare parts from Mauser, after they ceased PO8 production in 1942. So most parts would be of that era, with a few new Kreighoff parts (have observed a few) as necessary. I suspose that it's possible, that these depots also reworked some earlier PO8s, renumbering them in the "ku" range, but don't know why that would be necessary. TH

Edward Tinker · 08-12-2012, 09:40 AM

Not sure why you are 'irritated', you asked opinions and folks gave them to you.

You paid a less than shooter price (notice what it says where I live..../ I am just north of Philly)

98% of the gun shops have very little experience with lugers, let alone a KU

I assume you go to the Allentown collectors show? I have a table there most shows, and know a bit about lugers. Geo has a table and knows a lot more than me, and there are two or three others, --Art, Scottie, Tom who know more than me...

Sooooo, I will give you $600 for it anytime this week

because as a shooter or a conversation piece, it was a steal at $500

sheepherder · 08-12-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by phillyriverrat57

being that i came in here here to inquire about something i can find little info about, and after being condemed so fast,on a pistol i bought, and knowing little about it and something the german kept no records on and probably built on a armoury level, i seriously doubt i will really be comming back in there with the attitude i got.

The 'attitude' is skepticism, because, in the past, mechanics have come here with pics of the boosted Luger they are trying to peddle for 4 or 5 times what it would bring if unaltered. They post pics and give a story (always a story!) and solicit opinions.

sheepherder · 08-12-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Lookin' good, Rich!

Man! I haven't looked at that pic in...some time...

Kinda looks like that home-grown terrorist from The Unit; the guy who tried to nuke Washington with a bomb hidden in his driveshaft...

Edward Tinker · 08-14-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

Man! I haven't looked at that pic in...some time...

Kinda looks like that home-grown terrorist from The Unit; the guy who tried to nuke Washington with a bomb hidden in his driveshaft...

Why did you blank out the year?

License to purchase is not required in Pennsylvania now....

sheepherder · 08-14-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Why did you blank out the year?

I wasn't sure if they were still in business or not...It was quite some time ago...

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License to purchase is not required in Pennsylvania now....

I'm not up on all the local laws, but does that apply to the City Of Philadelphia too??? You'll note, they are not state permits...but City Of...

Ed, do you get into Philly often??? Is Pearson's still in business???

sheepherder · 08-19-2012, 01:42 PM

Sometimes I wonder if a mechanic doesn't post his work here just to see how well he did...

(I'm not saying this is a boosted KU...Just wondering out loud)...

In unrelated news, there is a 'Mauser KU' Luger posted for sale on GB right now...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=301066466

I looked at the pics but I can't find the 'KU'...

And to quote: "This luger has a DWM Toggle and has been authenticated correct by 2 known luger experts, names will be given upon request".

A Mauser KU with a DWM toggle??? Well, a parts KU, I suppose that's OK...

I wonder if those 2 known Luger experts know they're authenticating a $1,650.00 Mauser KU?

mrerick · 08-19-2012, 06:21 PM

Rich, The "Ku" is visible in front of the serial number on the fifth photo from the top. Also a code "42" under the last digits of the s/n on the trigger plate.

Joop has inspected many "Ku" Lugers, I wonder if many "DWM" toggles have been observed... I also wonder what portion have "Ku" leading versus trailing the receiver s/n.

Marc

sheepherder · 08-19-2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mrerick

Rich, The "Ku" is visible in front of the serial number on the fifth photo from the top. Also a code "42" under the last digits of the s/n on the trigger plate.

Joop has inspected many "Ku" Lugers, I wonder if many "DWM" toggles have been observed... I also wonder what portion have "Ku" leading versus trailing the receiver s/n.

Marc

Thanks Marc, I see it now...A light strike, but at least this one has an umlaut...

The "u" is lower case, too...Are there authenticated KU's with the "u" lower case??? (Authenticated by someone other than the 2 experts he refers to)...

mrerick · 08-20-2012, 11:11 AM

I believe that they all have "Kü" where there is an umlaut over the lower case "u".

Interestingly, the abbreviation "Kü" in German can refer to "Coast" or "Kitchen". Perhaps the Luftwaffe had to "cook" up some Lugers for their coast watchers in the armory "kitchen", since so many of their planes and crews had been eliminated as the war progressed...

Marc

sheepherder · 09-20-2012, 06:50 PM

Well, looks like phillyriverrat57 has left the building...

I believe I'll set up a "Saved Search" on GB for a Krieghoff with the serial 4640...With or without the Ku...

08-11-2012, 08:47 AM	#23
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Philly, I see that John S. also noticed that the slide show signs of non-original renumbering. I'm basing my OPINION on having owned a few righteous KUs over the years, the photos in Gibson's "The Kreighoff Parabellum and that he shows no receivers dated before 1940. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

08-11-2012, 09:32 PM	#24
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Harry - I dug out my Philly Pistol permit (purchase only; no carry)...and the receipt for my browning 380 auto...Pearsons...Was this the place??? Took about two hours for the whole transaction...That includes the walk-through for the permit... Imagine...A Philadelphia Police Lieutenant took time out of his busy day to fingerprint, photograph, and background check a Marine so he could purchase a pistol... Ya gotta love Police like that!!! Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

08-12-2012, 08:16 AM	#26
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Philly et al, I'm of the "school" that the original ku marked lugers were built by a Luft repair depot using spare parts from Mauser, after they ceased PO8 production in 1942. So most parts would be of that era, with a few new Kreighoff parts (have observed a few) as necessary. I suspose that it's possible, that these depots also reworked some earlier PO8s, renumbering them in the "ku" range, but don't know why that would be necessary. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

08-19-2012, 01:42 PM	#32
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Sometimes I wonder if a mechanic doesn't post his work here just to see how well he did... (I'm not saying this is a boosted KU...Just wondering out loud)... In unrelated news, there is a 'Mauser KU' Luger posted for sale on GB right now... http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=301066466 I looked at the pics but I can't find the 'KU'... And to quote: *"This luger has a DWM Toggle and has been authenticated correct by 2 known luger experts, names will be given upon request".* A Mauser KU with a DWM toggle??? Well, a parts KU, I suppose that's OK... I wonder if those 2 known Luger experts know they're authenticating a $1,650.00 Mauser KU? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

08-19-2012, 06:21 PM	#33
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Rich, The "Ku" is visible in front of the serial number on the fifth photo from the top. Also a code "42" under the last digits of the s/n on the trigger plate. Joop has inspected many "Ku" Lugers, I wonder if many "DWM" toggles have been observed... I also wonder what portion have "Ku" leading versus trailing the receiver s/n. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

08-10-2012, 10:23 PM	#21
phillyriverrat57 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	being that i came in here here to inquire about something i can find little info about, and after being condemed so fast,on a pistol i bought, and knowing little about it and something the german kept no records on and probably built on a armoury level, i seriously doubt i will really be comming back in there with the attitude i got. these are not a standard luger, and instead of helping someone, it seems like people here are more interested in pissing people off than trying to help or figure out a mystery

08-12-2012, 01:39 AM	#25
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Lookin' good, Rich! I too am looking forward to a documentation from all these top flight, expert gun shops in Philly who have rendered scholarly opinions on this KU Luger.

08-12-2012, 09:40 AM	#27
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Not sure why you are 'irritated', you asked opinions and folks gave them to you. You paid a less than shooter price (notice what it says where I live..../ I am just north of Philly) 98% of the gun shops have very little experience with lugers, let alone a KU I assume you go to the Allentown collectors show? I have a table there most shows, and know a bit about lugers. Geo has a table and knows a lot more than me, and there are two or three others, --Art, Scottie, Tom who know more than me... Sooooo, I will give you $600 for it anytime this week because as a shooter or a conversation piece, it was a steal at $500

08-20-2012, 11:11 AM	#35
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	I believe that they all have "Kü" where there is an umlaut over the lower case "u". Interestingly, the abbreviation "Kü" in German can refer to "Coast" or "Kitchen". Perhaps the Luftwaffe had to "cook" up some Lugers for their coast watchers in the armory "kitchen", since so many of their planes and crews had been eliminated as the war progressed... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

09-20-2012, 06:50 PM	#36
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Well, looks like phillyriverrat57 has left the building... I believe I'll set up a "Saved Search" on GB for a Krieghoff with the serial 4640...With or without the Ku... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...