Unitmark 1916 DWM

sej-gun · 02-13-2012, 03:01 PM

The other day I got a 1916 DWM P.08. But I'm unclear on the blurry unit stamp. Can you help?
Reg.Sej-gun

alanint · 02-13-2012, 03:59 PM

First question mark is either an "I" or a "T" and your "II" looks more like a "K" to me.

Unusually large font for a Unit mark...

sej-gun · 02-14-2012, 05:35 AM

You're right, it's a "K"
Thanks alanint
Is it: 2 I 1 C K 410?
Feel free to add your opinion!

Reg. Sej-gun

sheepherder · 02-14-2012, 08:59 AM

I think I can see the inverted 'V' of an "M" there...

My WAG - 2 MCK 410

...But the 2nd figure could be a "G"...Making it 2 MGK 410

alanint · 02-14-2012, 09:14 AM

I'd have to agree with Rich. I also see an "M" there now.

sheepherder · 02-14-2012, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

I'd have to agree with Rich. I also see an "M" there now.

Doug - Doesn't 410 Lugers in any company seem awful high???

A US company only has ~100 soldiers...

JTD · 02-14-2012, 10:26 AM

4.10 ?

alanint · 02-14-2012, 11:09 AM

Possibly a missing "period". Others on the board here have mentioned that some units numbered their entire inventory of guns, (i.e. Rifles, MGs, etc)
It may depend on what the unit experts tell us the gun came from.

Ron Smith · 02-14-2012, 11:34 AM

2nd Machine Gun Kompany 410th Regiment. 2. M.G.K. 410

sej-gun · 02-14-2012, 03:19 PM

First of all thanks for your valuable comments!
I think we're close to solving this blurry stamp.
2 M C (G?) K 4 10 But what would be a "G" looks like a "C" for me.
Still, Imperial lugers page 135, there is shown a "C". The pages141, 142 and 145 show examples of a "G". I must admit that it looks like the letter "C" occurs rarely, whereas "G" seems more realistic.

Reg. Sej-gun

Ron Smith · 02-14-2012, 03:33 PM

Note the Serif on the "G". The marking has been sanded , but the tail of the serif is still visible.

Ron

sej-gun · 02-14-2012, 03:45 PM

Thank you Ron, I have no doubt any more.
Not many of the DWM P.08 from 1916 should have unit stamp.
So a little rarity is enough, even if some clown tried to delete this stamp. This luger forums is just great. THANK YOU!

Reg. Sej-gun

irishcop45 · 10-29-2012, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by postino

Doug - Doesn't 410 Lugers in any company seem awful high???

A US company only has ~100 soldiers...

And a US Company in WWI was considerably larger than in other armies.

George Anderson · 10-29-2012, 05:44 PM

Ron, is correct. It's 2.M.G,K.410, 2nd Machine Gun Company, Infantry Regiment 410 although I would expect to see the regiment number first.

02-13-2012, 03:01 PM	#1
sej-gun User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 99 Thanks: 26 Thanked 16 Times in 7 Posts	Unitmark 1916 DWM The other day I got a 1916 DWM P.08. But I'm unclear on the blurry unit stamp. Can you help? Reg.Sej-gun Attached Thumbnails

02-13-2012, 03:59 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	First question mark is either an "I" or a "T" and your "II" looks more like a "K" to me. Unusually large font for a Unit mark... Last edited by alanint; 02-14-2012 at 09:12 AM.

02-14-2012, 05:35 AM	#3
sej-gun User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 99 Thanks: 26 Thanked 16 Times in 7 Posts	You're right, it's a "K" Thanks alanint Is it: 2 I 1 C K 410? Feel free to add your opinion! Reg. Sej-gun Attached Thumbnails

02-14-2012, 08:59 AM	#4
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	I think I can see the inverted 'V' of an "M" there... My WAG - 2 MCK 410 ...But the 2nd figure could be a "G"...Making it 2 MGK 410 Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

02-14-2012, 11:34 AM	#9
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	2nd Machine Gun Kompany 410th Regiment. 2. M.G.K. 410 __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-14-2012, 09:14 AM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	I'd have to agree with Rich. I also see an "M" there now.

02-14-2012, 10:26 AM	#7
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	4.10 ?

02-14-2012, 11:09 AM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Possibly a missing "period". Others on the board here have mentioned that some units numbered their entire inventory of guns, (i.e. Rifles, MGs, etc) It may depend on what the unit experts tell us the gun came from.

02-14-2012, 03:19 PM	#10
sej-gun User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 99 Thanks: 26 Thanked 16 Times in 7 Posts	First of all thanks for your valuable comments! I think we're close to solving this blurry stamp. 2 M C (G?) K 4 10 But what would be a "G" looks like a "C" for me. Still, Imperial lugers page 135, there is shown a "C". The pages141, 142 and 145 show examples of a "G". I must admit that it looks like the letter "C" occurs rarely, whereas "G" seems more realistic. Reg. Sej-gun

02-14-2012, 03:33 PM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Note the Serif on the "G". The marking has been sanded , but the tail of the serif is still visible. Ron Attached Thumbnails __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

02-14-2012, 03:45 PM	#12
sej-gun User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 99 Thanks: 26 Thanked 16 Times in 7 Posts	Thank you Ron, I have no doubt any more. Not many of the DWM P.08 from 1916 should have unit stamp. So a little rarity is enough, even if some clown tried to delete this stamp. This luger forums is just great. THANK YOU! Reg. Sej-gun

10-29-2012, 05:44 PM	#14
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Ron, is correct. It's 2.M.G,K.410, 2nd Machine Gun Company, Infantry Regiment 410 although I would expect to see the regiment number first.