1901 u.s. Test triail luger pistol

[HUGO REVELES]

ANALIZANDO SOBRE EL TEMA: “1901 U.S. TEST TRiAIL LUGER PISTOL” LA HISTORIA DICE QUE DOS PISTOLAS LUGER 7.65, FUERON PROBADAS, PARA PODER TOMAR LA DECISIÓN LA JUNTA DE ARTILLERIA SOBRE EL PEDIDO “ORDENANZA” MILITAR DE 1000 LUGERS. COMO HASTA LA FECHA NO HAN SIDO LOCALIZADAS ESTAS DOS PISTOLAS, PIENSO QUE:
1.- TENDRIA QUE TRATARSE DE UNA PISTOLA LUGER-PARABELLUM MODELO “1900”
2.- DEBE TENER EL LOGO “DWM” MARCA DEL FABRICANTE, EN LETRAS GOTICAS QUE SIGNIFICAN QUE EL ARMA FUE MANUFACTURADA POR DETUSCHE WAFFEN MUNITIONSFABRIKEN, “MARCA DE GOLPE” EL EL TOGGLE O ARTICULACION CENTRAL. ASI MISMO EL NUMERO DE TERMINACION DE LOS DOS ULTIMOS DIGITOS DE LA SERIE DEBEN COINCIDIR CON LA SERIE.
3.- DEBE TENER ESTAMPADO EN LA CRESTA DE LA CAMARA EL GRAN SELLO DE EL “AMERICAN EAGLE” VARIACION QUE IDENTIFICA EL CONTRATO COMMERCIAL-MILITAR CON ESTADOS UNIDOS DE AMERICA, EL AGUILA DE SER ACORDE AL MODELO 1900, RANGO DE SERIE: 2000-20,000.
4.- EL NUMERO DE SERIE DEBE SER EN UN RANGO DEL 5000-6000, MENOR AL NUMERO MAS BAJO CONOCIDO DE LAS AGUILAS DE RANGO Y SUPERIOR A LA PRODUCCION SUIZA DEL MODELO 1900.
5.- PUESTO QUE TODABIA NO ES UNA ARMA DE ORDENANZA O PEDIDO MILITAR, DEBIO ESTAR MARCADA “GERMANY” PARA NO TENER PROBLEMAS AL INGRESAR A LOS ESTADOS UNIDOS (NUEVA YORK) According to an import and revenue duties act passed by the U.S. Congress on Oct. 1, 1890, all foreign-made goods entering the U.S. after March 1, 1891 are required to have the country of origin marked on them.All foreign-made goods entering the U.S. after the McKinley Tariff Act of 1891 are required to have the country of origin marked on them. This is the reason that GERMANY is found stamped on Luger pistols exported to the US. It has been long been presumed that, since the 1,000 Test Eagles were not a pistol for export but rather a military contract shipped directly to an Army weapons facility, they were not subject to this import requirement.
6.- SU AGUJA PERCUTORA DEBE SER “1mm” MAS LARGA QUE LA PRODUCCION DE ESA EPOCA, POR QUE ASI LO PIDIO EL SEÑOR HANS TAUSCHER, CON LA INTENCION DE EVITAR FALLAS Y TENER QUE REPETIR LA PRUEBA.
7.- EL RESORTE DE LA AGUJA PERCUTORA DEBERA SER DISTINTO A LA PRODUCCION QUE EN ESA EPOCA ERA DE 47mm DE LONGITUD, CON 0.75 mm DE DIAMETRO, Y DE 17 BOMBILLAS, ES DECIR DEBE SER DIFERENTE DE TAL MANERA QUE LE DE MAS FUERZA, POR QUE ASI DIO LAS INSTRUCCIONES EL SR TAUSCHER.
8.- ESTA PIEZA “BREECH-BLOCK” AL SER REMPLAZADA DE LA PRODUCCION DEBE SER DISTINTO A LA PRODUCCION (MARCAS, NUMEROS, AJUSTES)
9.- EL ARMA AL HABER SIDO UTILIZADA COMO PROTOTYPO DE ENSAYO DE PRUEBAS MILITARES, DEBERA SER EN APARIENCIA FEA Y MALTRATADA, A DIFERENCIA DE PROTOTIPOS DE PRESENTACION ; DEBERA PRESENTAR HUELLAS PRODUCIDAS POR LAS RIGUROSAS PRUEBAS A LA CUAL FUE SOMETIDA (ACIDO=CORROSION; RESISTENCIA= GOLPES, MALTRATO, DESGASTE; USO EN CONDICIONES EXTREMAS Y POR SOBRE CARGA= FISURAS, MARCAS DE GOLPETEO).
10.- COMO PROTOTYPO Y POR TRATARSE DE UNA ARMA QUE FUE SACADA DE LA PRODUCION DEBERA TENER ACABADOS, MARCAS Y DETALLES INUSUALES A LA PRODUCCION.
11.- LA PISTOLA DEBE SER ORIGINAL Y COINCIDIR SUS PIEZAS EN SUS NUMEROS DE SERIE.

ANALYZING ON THE THEME: "1901 OR.S. TEST TRiAIL LUGER PISTOL" THE HISTORY SAYS THAT TWO GUNS LUGER 7,65, they WERE TESTED, TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE THE MEETING OF ARTILLERIA ON THE ORDER "ORDINANCE" MILITARY OF 1000 LUGERS. AS TO DATE HAVE NOT BEEN LOCATED THESE TWO GUNS, I THINK THAT: 1.- TENDRIA THAT TO TRY A GUN MODEL LUGER-PISTOL "1900" 2.- SHOULD HAVE THE LOGO "DWM" MARK OF THE MANUFACTURER, IN LETTERS DROPS THAT SIGNIFY THAT THE WEAPON WAS MANUFACTURED BY DETUSCHE WAFFEN MUNITIONSFABRIKEN, "MARK OF BLOW" THE THE TOGGLE OR ARTICULACION CENTRAL. ASI SAME THE I NUMBER OF TERMINACION OF THE TWO ULTIMOS DIGITOS OF THE SERIES they SHOULD COINCIDE WITH THE SERIES. 3.- it SHOULD HAVE STAMPED IN THE CREST OF THE CAMARA THE GREAT SEAL OF THE "American EAGLE" VARIACION THAT IDENTIFIES THE COMMERCIAL-MILITARY CONTRACT WITH United States OF AMERICA, THE AGUILA TO BE HARMONIOUS TO THE MODEL 1900, RANK OF SERIES: 2000-20,000. 4.- THE I NUMBER OF SERIES SHOULD BE IN A RANK OF THE 5000-6000, SMALLER UPON I NUMBERING BUT LOW ACQUAINTANCE OF THE AGUILAS OF RANK AND OVER THE PRODUCCION Swiss OF THE MODEL 1900. 5.- SINCE TODABIA IS NOT A WEAPON OF ORDINANCE OR MILITARY ORDER, DEBIO TO BE MARKED "GERMANY" FOR HAVE NOT PROBLEMS UPON ENTERING TO THE United States (New York) According to go import and revenue duties act passed by the OR.S. Congress on Oct. 1, 1890, all foreign-made goods entering the OR.S. after March 1, 1891 till required to have the country of origin marked on them.All foreign-made goods entering the OR.S. after the McKinley Tariff Act of 1891 till required to have the country of origin marked on them. This is the reason that GERMANY is found stamped on Luger pistols exported to the US. Or there you are been long been presumed that, since the 1.000 Test Eagles were not to pistol for export but rather to military contract shipped directly to go Army weapons facility, they were not subject to this import requirement. 6.- ITS NEEDLE PERCUTORA SHOULD BE "1mm" BUT LONG THAT THE PRODUCCION OF THAT EPOCA, BECAUSE ASI IT PIDIO THE MISTER HANS TAUSCHER, WITH THE INTENCION TO AVOID FAILURES AND TO HAVE THAT TO REPEAT THE TEST. 7.- THE SPRING OF THE NEEDLE PERCUTORA SHOULD BE DIFFERENT TO THE PRODUCCION THAT IN THAT EPOCA WAS OF 47mm OF LENGTH, WITH 0,75 mm OF DIAMETRO, AND OF 17 LIGHTBULBS, THAT IS TO SAY SHOULD BE DIFFERENT IN SUCH A WAY THAT HIM OF BUT FORCE, BECAUSE ASI GAVE THE INSTRUCTIONS THE MR TAUSCHER. 8.- THIS PIECE "BREECH-BLOCK" UPON BEING REPLACED OF THE PRODUCCION SHOULD BE DIFFERENT TO THE PRODUCCION (MARKS, NUMEROS, ADJUSTMENTS) 9.- THE WEAPON UPON HAVING BEEN UTILIZED AS PROTOTYPO OF TRIAL OF MILITARY TESTS, SHOULD BE IN UGLY APPEARANCE AND MISTREATED, AS OPPOSED TO PROTOTYPES OF PRESENTACION; SHOULD PRESENT TRACKS PRODUCED BY THE RIGOROUS TESTS TO WHICH WAS SUBMITTED (ACIDO = CORROSION; RESISTANCE = BLOWS, ABUSE, WEAR; USE IN EXTREME CONDITIONS AND BY ON LOAD = CRACKS, MARKS OF DRUMMING). 10.- AS PROTOTYPO AND BY TRYING A WEAPON THAT WAS REMOVED OF THE PRODUCION SHOULD HAVE FINISHED, MARKS AND UNUSUAL DETAILS TO THE PRODUCCION. 11.- THE GUN SHOULD BE ORIGINAL AND TO COINCIDE ITS PIECES IN ITS NUMEROS OF SERIES.

[Ron Wood]

The lack of the "GERMANY" export stamp is an important characteristic. But much more important is the serial number as there are someting in excess of 2000 Model 1900 Lugers that do not have the export stamp. Only 1000 pieces were actually used in the test.

[HUGO REVELES]

me refiero refiero a las dos pistolas probadas el 18 de marzo de 1901, en Springfield Armory
las que le fueron entregadas al Coronel Frank H. Phipps, después de la reunión en N.Y. con el Señor Hans Tauscher.

[Ron Wood]

I am away from home and my library, so I cannot research your questions. I believe I remember that that Georg Luger personally presented and demonstrated two Model 1900 Lugers to the Ordnance Department. These guns had special barrel lengths and were in the 10000B prototype serial number range (I think 10030B and 10060B, but I am not certain).

[HUGO REVELES]

esos prototipos de los cuales Usted habla fuerón posteriores a las aguilas de rango, en esa prueba si estubo presente el Sr. Luger eso fue en 1905, la Junta de Artilleria autorizo de manera formal la compra de las 1000 lugers el 29 de Abril de 1901, pero antes de eso, se llevo a cabo la primera prueba, el 18 de Marzo de 1901, del resultado de esa prueba preliminar, se tomo la desición de Ordenanza.
En esa prueba preliminar no estuvo presente Sr Luger, solo el Representante de la DWM, el Sr. Hans Tauscher. y son las dos pistolas Lugers 7.65 que menciona en su libro el Sr Michel R.
LUGER 1900.

[Edward Tinker]

The serial number would be helpful?

And if you gave it, realize there are only a few Spanish speaking members here.

[HUGO REVELES]

both guns are lost and do not know the serial number

[HUGO REVELES]

08.march-1901, reunion in n.y. Hans tauscher and frank h. Phipps
16-march-1901, springfield armory recive two pistol luger 7.65
18-march-1901, test trial luger pistol, serial (?)
29-april- 1901, artillery board authorizing purchase 1000 lugers
may-sep- 1901, data mfg. Te lugers ordenance
oct-nov-1901, recive n.y. 1000 lugers pistol

[Rugger]

Hugo:

Has estado en este foro el tiempo suficiente para darte cuenta que este es un foro en Inglés. No se necesita ser un genio para entenderlo, y creo que no es la primera vez que se te dice. Por otra parte, pareces insistir frecuentemente en necedades.

Saludos,


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Hugo:

Yo have been around this forum long enough to realize this is an English speaking forum. Yo do not have to be a genius to realize this, and I believe you have been told this before. On the other hand, you frequently insist in nonsense.

Regards,