Something to clarify about Mauser Parabellum. - Page 5

mbauer · 12-02-2010, 06:04 PM

Mauro;

I just joined the Forum as I am now a proud owner of a 30 cal Luger. The information is quite interesting and I would like to add to your database. In reading up on my Luger, which appears to be a 29/70 variant, I am somewhat puzzled. According to Fred Datig, I was expecting the "Original" emblem to have even lettering. My Swiss frame Luger is numbered 10.0017XX and has the usual import marks "Interarms", "FBM", etc and internal scribed numbers. The puzzle comes in that the "Original" emblem appears to be of the prototype style described by Fred Datig where the "a" and "l" do not follow the script of the preceding letters.

Does anyone else have a similar marking for low 20/70 serial number guns?

mauro · 12-03-2010, 05:40 PM

Dear mbauer,
During the researches for our new book: "The Parabellum is back! 1945 - 2000", Gerben and I we had the possibility to discover 3 different Original Mauser banner used by Mauser in the 70' production.

In the early production, the banner was engraved and then rolled. In the engraved banner, we found two different variations.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
Mauro

regul · 12-05-2010, 04:37 PM

Mauro;
I have the following serial numbers.
06/29 Swiss frame, 4'' 9mm 11.009502 (new in box)
06/73 P08 frame, 6'' 9mm 11.013398
I have enjoyed your book Luger/ Artiglieria and am waiting delivery of The Parabellum is Back.
Thanks
Ed Roane

mauro · 12-05-2010, 05:57 PM

Thank you Ed!

matt ott · 12-22-2010, 11:40 AM

hi guys, for what is worth i just got a mauser 9mm american eagle swiss style luger 11. 2205 and have no idea when manufactured as i have no box or target,,, tx Matt

Vlim · 12-22-2010, 11:58 AM

Hi Matt,

It's an early one. Manufactured in 1971. It was probably delivered to Interarms around April of that year.

The Interarms pistols were not proofed at an official proof house, and therefore lack a proof date. (execeptions exist). Your pistol probably has Mauser's in house FBM proof.

6 inch or 4 inch barrel?

bobclevenger · 09-08-2011, 09:40 AM

Hello, I bought a Mauser Parabellum a few years ago. 9mm, 6" bbl., S/N 11.013719. It has Interarms markings and the American Eagle over the chamber. It came in a nice presentation case. It appeared to have never been fired which has been remedied. It's accurate and reliable. That's about all I know about it.

mauro · 09-08-2011, 02:13 PM

Thank you for the update.
Mauro

spartacus38 · 01-12-2013, 04:37 PM

Production totals please for the following:
.30 Luger
4" Swiss frame
6" " "
4" Non Swiss frame
6" " " "

9MM
4" Swiss frame
6" " "
4 " Non Swiss frame
6" " " "

Thank you,
Bob

Vlim · 01-12-2013, 06:14 PM

Bob, there are no exact production totals, just estimates based on factory documentation and observed pistol serial numbers.

About 4,700 .30 luger pistols were made, in several configurations and barrel lengths.
About 15,000 9mm pistols were made, again in several configuration and barrel lengths.

There are not 2 but 3 frame types used in the .30 luger variation:
Swiss frame, Swiss opening curve: approx. 1000 pistols.
Swiss frame, Modified opening curve.
P08 style frame.

The Swiss frame, Swiss opening curve was not used on the 9mm pistols, so they have only 2 frame variations:
Swiss frame, Modified opening curve.
P08 style frame.

PatrickB · 03-31-2013, 05:40 PM

I am wondering whether the serial numbers were continuous from the Swiss style Mauser Parabellum to the PO8 style or whether the PO8 started a new munber sequence. I had a
6", 9 mm Swiss that I bought used in 1972 and a 4" 9mm PO8 that I bought in December 1975 directly from Interarms' warehouse in Alexandria, VA. Unfortunately for me both of them plus 5 other Lugers were stolen from my house in the early 90's.

My old records show that I recorded the '72 or earlier Swiss as 11.013673 and the '75 PO8 as 11.001607. Did I mix up the serial numbers of the two pistols or did the serial numbers of the PO8 start with 11.001001 over again?

mauro · 03-31-2013, 05:55 PM

Dear Patrick,
There is no break in the serial number sequence between 29/70 and 06/73 models.
Cheers,
Mauro

Vlim · 03-31-2013, 05:55 PM

The serlal numbering was continuous. Changes where phased in and you can see several styles appear in mid to late 1972 when the new P08-style frame (06/73 model) was introduced.

So the best explanation for your records, is that you switched the serial numbers.

PatrickB · 03-31-2013, 10:46 PM

Thanks for the clarification. I must have mixed up the records. Now I really miss my 29/70 knowing that it was only the 606th of the 9mm Parabellums.

aldo35 · 05-17-2013, 11:00 PM

Hello,

For your data base. I recently acquired a Interarms Mauser Luger in 30 cal. It has a 6" barrel and is the Swiss style with an American Eagle over the chamber. Serial number is 10 02383. It came with the manual, a small bronze or brass plaque 2'' X 1.5" with the words "Mauser Parabellum" and the Mauser logo. No box or target, two magazines.

Do you have an idea when this pistol was made?

Aldo35

aldo35 · 05-17-2013, 11:02 PM

Hi,
Correction, serial number is 10 002383.
Aldo35

mauro · 05-18-2013, 04:22 AM

Hello Aldo,
Please find here the data concerning your pistol from the Mauser Internal production ledger.

I do not have time to check but most probably in the "Parabellum is back" book you can also find when your pistol has been shipped to Interarms and in which crate :-)

Hope this helps,

Mauro

12-03-2010, 05:40 PM	#82
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Dear mbauer, During the researches for our new book: "The Parabellum is back! 1945 - 2000", Gerben and I we had the possibility to discover 3 different Original Mauser banner used by Mauser in the 70' production. In the early production, the banner was engraved and then rolled. In the engraved banner, we found two different variations. I hope this helps. Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-05-2010, 04:37 PM	#83
regul Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: VA Posts: 96 Thanks: 19 Thanked 57 Times in 20 Posts	06/29 & 06/73 Mauro; I have the following serial numbers. 06/29 Swiss frame, 4'' 9mm 11.009502 (new in box) 06/73 P08 frame, 6'' 9mm 11.013398 I have enjoyed your book Luger/ Artiglieria and am waiting delivery of The Parabellum is Back. Thanks Ed Roane Last edited by regul; 12-05-2010 at 06:12 PM.

12-05-2010, 05:57 PM	#84
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Thank you Ed! __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-22-2010, 11:40 AM	#85
matt ott Banned Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 33 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	interarms mauser 9mm hi guys, for what is worth i just got a mauser 9mm american eagle swiss style luger 11. 2205 and have no idea when manufactured as i have no box or target,,, tx Matt

09-08-2011, 02:13 PM	#88
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Thank you for the update. Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-02-2010, 06:04 PM	#81
mbauer New User Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mauro; I just joined the Forum as I am now a proud owner of a 30 cal Luger. The information is quite interesting and I would like to add to your database. In reading up on my Luger, which appears to be a 29/70 variant, I am somewhat puzzled. According to Fred Datig, I was expecting the "Original" emblem to have even lettering. My Swiss frame Luger is numbered 10.0017XX and has the usual import marks "Interarms", "FBM", etc and internal scribed numbers. The puzzle comes in that the "Original" emblem appears to be of the prototype style described by Fred Datig where the "a" and "l" do not follow the script of the preceding letters. Does anyone else have a similar marking for low 20/70 serial number guns?

12-22-2010, 11:58 AM	#86
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi Matt, It's an early one. Manufactured in 1971. It was probably delivered to Interarms around April of that year. The Interarms pistols were not proofed at an official proof house, and therefore lack a proof date. (execeptions exist). Your pistol probably has Mauser's in house FBM proof. 6 inch or 4 inch barrel?

09-08-2011, 09:40 AM	#87
bobclevenger New User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, I bought a Mauser Parabellum a few years ago. 9mm, 6" bbl., S/N 11.013719. It has Interarms markings and the American Eagle over the chamber. It came in a nice presentation case. It appeared to have never been fired which has been remedied. It's accurate and reliable. That's about all I know about it.

01-12-2013, 04:37 PM	#89
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Production totals please for the following: .30 Luger 4" Swiss frame 6" " " 4" Non Swiss frame 6" " " " 9MM 4" Swiss frame 6" " " 4 " Non Swiss frame 6" " " " Thank you, Bob

01-12-2013, 06:14 PM	#90
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Bob, there are no exact production totals, just estimates based on factory documentation and observed pistol serial numbers. About 4,700 .30 luger pistols were made, in several configurations and barrel lengths. About 15,000 9mm pistols were made, again in several configuration and barrel lengths. There are not 2 but 3 frame types used in the .30 luger variation: Swiss frame, Swiss opening curve: approx. 1000 pistols. Swiss frame, Modified opening curve. P08 style frame. The Swiss frame, Swiss opening curve was not used on the 9mm pistols, so they have only 2 frame variations: Swiss frame, Modified opening curve. P08 style frame.

03-31-2013, 05:40 PM	#91
PatrickB User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 26 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	I am wondering whether the serial numbers were continuous from the Swiss style Mauser Parabellum to the PO8 style or whether the PO8 started a new munber sequence. I had a 6", 9 mm Swiss that I bought used in 1972 and a 4" 9mm PO8 that I bought in December 1975 directly from Interarms' warehouse in Alexandria, VA. Unfortunately for me both of them plus 5 other Lugers were stolen from my house in the early 90's. My old records show that I recorded the '72 or earlier Swiss as 11.013673 and the '75 PO8 as 11.001607. Did I mix up the serial numbers of the two pistols or did the serial numbers of the PO8 start with 11.001001 over again?

03-31-2013, 05:55 PM	#92
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Dear Patrick, There is no break in the serial number sequence between 29/70 and 06/73 models. Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

03-31-2013, 10:46 PM	#94
PatrickB User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 26 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks for the clarification. I must have mixed up the records. Now I really miss my 29/70 knowing that it was only the 606th of the 9mm Parabellums.

05-17-2013, 11:00 PM	#95
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 343 Thanks: 2,223 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	Hello, For your data base. I recently acquired a Interarms Mauser Luger in 30 cal. It has a 6" barrel and is the Swiss style with an American Eagle over the chamber. Serial number is 10 02383. It came with the manual, a small bronze or brass plaque 2'' X 1.5" with the words "Mauser Parabellum" and the Mauser logo. No box or target, two magazines. Do you have an idea when this pistol was made? Aldo35

05-17-2013, 11:02 PM	#96
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 343 Thanks: 2,223 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	Hi, Correction, serial number is 10 002383. Aldo35

05-18-2013, 04:22 AM	#97
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hello Aldo, Please find here the data concerning your pistol from the Mauser Internal production ledger. I do not have time to check but most probably in the "Parabellum is back" book you can also find when your pistol has been shipped to Interarms and in which crate :-) Hope this helps, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.