Front sight issues- too low

seattle_guy · 08-17-2013, 12:50 AM

Hey,
I have an artillery luger which seems to be shooting 14 inches high at 25 yards. I looked at it and the front sight on it seems to be too low.
I was thinking of using JB weld to build up the height of the front sight. If this is a bad idea does anyone know of a better solution?
Maybe someone who can fabricate a taller sight?
Thank you

Edward Tinker · 08-17-2013, 12:54 AM

Welcome to the forum.

Can you post a picture of the front sight?

Have you thought about replacing the front sight?

seattle_guy · 08-17-2013, 01:07 AM

Where could I buy new front sights? I have looked on the internet and cant seem to find any that are taller than the one I have.
This is a gun that the parts don't seem to have matching serial numbers, so I assume its a parts gun. It functional perfectly except for it shooting too high. I am not 100% sure that is the proper front sight for it.

alanint · 08-17-2013, 08:16 AM

As a parts gun, there may not be a notch in your receiver under The rear sight. If that is The case, your rear sight may be sitting too high, which would produce precisely that high point of impact. Your front sight is normal, so I would look at the rear sight first, followed by whether the barrel was properly installed.
Send a photo of the area under the rear sight where The barrel meets The upper receiver.

Uncle Mike · 08-17-2013, 09:17 AM

Hi, just a thought;try different ammo. I had a CZ75 that shot high with 115 gr but dead on with 124gr, Regards, Mike

Norme · 08-17-2013, 09:26 AM

Hi Ryan, This photo shows the Artillery "notch", it is cut into the top front edge of the receiver. Artillery Lugers have a front sight blade that is 5mm high. P08 Lugers (the ones with 4" barrels) have blades 5.5mm high. For a cheap fix you might try getting one of these from Tom Heller on this forum. He should have them in stock.
Regards, Norm

JTD · 08-17-2013, 09:27 AM

I would be willing to bet after a shot or two, the rear site catch slips, and site moves up a bit. It does not look like the rear site is the fine tune type, is it? JB weld is not the answer. Do a little more thinking before you glue your luger.

DavidJayUden · 08-17-2013, 10:04 AM

I had a similar problem with a Navy parts gun. I ended up getting a tall K98 Maurser front side blade and stuffing it in. Looks sort of hideous and I would have preferred an alternative, but it does work.
I agree that you should see if you have the notch in the receiver just beneath the rear sight, you should try faster ammo with lighter bullets, and put a rubber band around the rear sight to be certain that it is not creeping up under recoil, etc.
The lack of a notch is my first suspicion.
And remember that the lowest notch in the rear sight adjustment is probably meant for way past 25 yards. Shoot it at 100 yards and see where she prints.
dju
dju

Ron Smith · 08-17-2013, 10:40 AM

It appears that there isn't a sight notch. The sight looks like it's resting on the chamber ring.

seattle_guy · 08-17-2013, 06:34 PM

Thanks for all the responses,
Here are some up close picks of the back sight.

seattle_guy · 08-17-2013, 06:46 PM

I looked at some artillery lugers on different sites and it appears to me that the part of the front sight that is part of the barrel is higher than on mine. I think the blade that sits on top of it is about the same but I am speaking about the "pedestal" that supports the blade.

Could that be the case?

By the way, does anyone have an idea of the worth of this? I am mainly interested in a shooting gun.

The picture below shows the notch that I think you are talking about on the rear sight.

Ben M. · 08-17-2013, 09:49 PM

the notch looks big. and why do we have a 1918 erfurt artillery?

alanint · 08-20-2013, 07:19 AM

Because it is a mismatched parts gun.......

08-17-2013, 12:50 AM	#1
seattle_guy New User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Front sight issues- too low Hey, I have an artillery luger which seems to be shooting 14 inches high at 25 yards. I looked at it and the front sight on it seems to be too low. I was thinking of using JB weld to build up the height of the front sight. If this is a bad idea does anyone know of a better solution? Maybe someone who can fabricate a taller sight? Thank you

08-17-2013, 12:54 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Welcome to the forum. Can you post a picture of the front sight? Have you thought about replacing the front sight? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-17-2013, 01:07 AM	#3
seattle_guy New User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Where could I buy new front sights? I have looked on the internet and cant seem to find any that are taller than the one I have. This is a gun that the parts don't seem to have matching serial numbers, so I assume its a parts gun. It functional perfectly except for it shooting too high. I am not 100% sure that is the proper front sight for it. Attached Thumbnails

08-17-2013, 09:26 AM	#6
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Ryan, This photo shows the Artillery "notch", it is cut into the top front edge of the receiver. Artillery Lugers have a front sight blade that is 5mm high. P08 Lugers (the ones with 4" barrels) have blades 5.5mm high. For a cheap fix you might try getting one of these from Tom Heller on this forum. He should have them in stock. Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

08-17-2013, 10:40 AM	#9
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	It appears that there isn't a sight notch. The sight looks like it's resting on the chamber ring. Attached Thumbnails __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-17-2013, 08:16 AM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	As a parts gun, there may not be a notch in your receiver under The rear sight. If that is The case, your rear sight may be sitting too high, which would produce precisely that high point of impact. Your front sight is normal, so I would look at the rear sight first, followed by whether the barrel was properly installed. Send a photo of the area under the rear sight where The barrel meets The upper receiver.

08-17-2013, 09:17 AM	#5
Uncle Mike User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi, just a thought;try different ammo. I had a CZ75 that shot high with 115 gr but dead on with 124gr, Regards, Mike

08-17-2013, 09:27 AM	#7
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 425 Thanks: 217 Thanked 408 Times in 149 Posts	I would be willing to bet after a shot or two, the rear site catch slips, and site moves up a bit. It does not look like the rear site is the fine tune type, is it? JB weld is not the answer. Do a little more thinking before you glue your luger.

08-17-2013, 10:04 AM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I had a similar problem with a Navy parts gun. I ended up getting a tall K98 Maurser front side blade and stuffing it in. Looks sort of hideous and I would have preferred an alternative, but it does work. I agree that you should see if you have the notch in the receiver just beneath the rear sight, you should try faster ammo with lighter bullets, and put a rubber band around the rear sight to be certain that it is not creeping up under recoil, etc. The lack of a notch is my first suspicion. And remember that the lowest notch in the rear sight adjustment is probably meant for way past 25 yards. Shoot it at 100 yards and see where she prints. dju dju

08-17-2013, 06:34 PM	#10
seattle_guy New User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for all the responses, Here are some up close picks of the back sight. Attached Thumbnails

08-17-2013, 06:46 PM	#11
seattle_guy New User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I looked at some artillery lugers on different sites and it appears to me that the part of the front sight that is part of the barrel is higher than on mine. I think the blade that sits on top of it is about the same but I am speaking about the "pedestal" that supports the blade. Could that be the case? By the way, does anyone have an idea of the worth of this? I am mainly interested in a shooting gun. The picture below shows the notch that I think you are talking about on the rear sight. Attached Thumbnails

08-17-2013, 09:49 PM	#12
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	the notch looks big. and why do we have a 1918 erfurt artillery?

08-20-2013, 07:19 AM	#13
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Because it is a mismatched parts gun....... Last edited by alanint; 08-20-2013 at 03:57 PM.