Phoenix Gun Show Report

Frank · 04-07-2002, 12:51 AM

I saw 6 or so Lugers, mostly junk. 3 OK P.38's about the right price, maybe a little high. A big bunch of Mauser C96, some with stocks and leather. The C96's were, for the most part, overpriced, but the quality was good.

I saw the nicest 1917 Navy and Artillary Lugers I have ever seen - bar none! They had matching magazines and as far as I could tell they were in mint condition. The owner had them as a tease (Not for Sale) along with a very nice Martz 45 (also primo, also not for sale)

Last, but certainly not least, I had a nice conversation with Fred Datig. We had a very nice talk about "Black Widows", as well as Lugers in general. He is a gentleman!!

04-07-2002, 01:16 AM

Hello Frank,

If your discussions with Mr.Datig regarding "Black Widows" was not too private, would you mind sharing some of those discussions ?

04-07-2002, 05:58 AM

Frank · 04-07-2002, 11:35 AM

and, of course, leave some things out. I asked Fred when the plastic (bakelite) grips first appeared on Military Mausers. His response was 1941, probably toward the middle. He mentioned as time goes by and more data is available, we get a better understanding of these topics. There was a bit more said off topic, but . . .

Aaron · 04-07-2002, 11:21 PM

I also had the pleasure of talking to Fed Datig at the show. He had three or four guns for sale, and said he was gradually disposing of his collection. He had one Luger, a 95% 1916 DWM artillery, fine tune sights front and rear, minty bore and inside, excellent grips, matching mag, a couple of thumb print sized areas of pitting on the right side of the receiver, very nice straw, but Fred opined that the straw might have been enhanced a bit. He asked $1650, and he also had a fair condition board stock for another $350. Anyway, Fred is not firm and is easy to deal with. I did buy what appeared to be a mint Swedish Lahti from him.

John Sabato · 04-08-2002, 11:43 AM

04-07-2002, 12:51 AM	#1
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Phoenix Gun Show Report I saw 6 or so Lugers, mostly junk. 3 OK P.38's about the right price, maybe a little high. A big bunch of Mauser C96, some with stocks and leather. The C96's were, for the most part, overpriced, but the quality was good. I saw the nicest 1917 Navy and Artillary Lugers I have ever seen - bar none! They had matching magazines and as far as I could tell they were in mint condition. The owner had them as a tease (Not for Sale) along with a very nice Martz 45 (also primo, also not for sale) Last, but certainly not least, I had a nice conversation with Fred Datig. We had a very nice talk about "Black Widows", as well as Lugers in general. He is a gentleman!!

04-07-2002, 01:16 AM	#2
Wm. "Pete" Ebbink Guest Posts: n/a	Black Widow Discussion...? Hello Frank, If your discussions with Mr.Datig regarding "Black Widows" was not too private, would you mind sharing some of those discussions ?

04-07-2002, 05:58 AM	#3
66mustang Guest Posts: n/a	I'd love to talk to him! Love his books (EOM)

04-07-2002, 11:35 AM	#4
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Pete, I'll paraphrase!! and, of course, leave some things out. I asked Fred when the plastic (bakelite) grips first appeared on Military Mausers. His response was 1941, probably toward the middle. He mentioned as time goes by and more data is available, we get a better understanding of these topics. There was a bit more said off topic, but . . .

04-07-2002, 11:21 PM	#5
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Phoenix Gun Show Report I also had the pleasure of talking to Fed Datig at the show. He had three or four guns for sale, and said he was gradually disposing of his collection. He had one Luger, a 95% 1916 DWM artillery, fine tune sights front and rear, minty bore and inside, excellent grips, matching mag, a couple of thumb print sized areas of pitting on the right side of the receiver, very nice straw, but Fred opined that the straw might have been enhanced a bit. He asked $1650, and he also had a fair condition board stock for another $350. Anyway, Fred is not firm and is easy to deal with. I did buy what appeared to be a mint Swedish Lahti from him.

04-08-2002, 11:43 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Welcome back Frank, good to see you posting again!