Help Identifying Naval P08

winkzoot · 11-01-2013, 06:43 PM

New to the forum and to Lugers. I have been trying to educate myself and I have what I believe is a 1914 pattern navy luger. Here is what know.
Manufactured: DWM
Grip Safety: None
Stock Lug: Present
Thumb Safety: Forward says Gesichert
Barrel Length: 6 inch
Rear Sight: 100/200 settings
Magazine: Not matching, has wood knob

All of the external numbers match. I have not dissassembled to verify the internals but knowing my Grandfather I would very surprised if they did not match as well.

I am interested any information on it and an idea about value.

Here are some pictures.

Norme · 11-01-2013, 06:55 PM

Hi Jon, Welcome to the forum! Your Grandfather left you a very nice !908 Navy. It can be distinguished from the 1914 model by it's undated chamber and long frame. It's current value, assuming all parts are original, is about $5,000.00.
Regards, Norm

Ron Wood · 11-01-2013, 07:11 PM

Wow!

DavidJayUden · 11-01-2013, 07:37 PM

Wow about sums it up...
Very nice Luger.
Did you get an holster or other stuff with it?
dju

ithacaartist · 11-01-2013, 08:17 PM

Sorry, have to add another wow! Welcome to the forum, Jon. It must be interesting to come struttin' in with something this nice.

Grandfather knew his hardware, by the looks of it. If your pistol checks out, you have an exquisite collectible! But, ahem, it may be too late...I guess we'll know soon as you start looking for a shooter...Lugers are the potato chip gun.

winkzoot · 11-01-2013, 09:33 PM

Thanks for the info and the quick responses. For now there is no holster but I would not be surprised to find it latter. Would it be taboo to fire this gun? It appears in complete working order. I did field strip it and clean it. The numbers that I could see inside also matched.

Norme · 11-01-2013, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winkzoot

Thanks for the info and the quick responses. For now there is no holster but I would not be surprised to find it latter. Would it be taboo to fire this gun? It appears in complete working order. I did field strip it and clean it. The numbers that I could see inside also matched.

Hi Jon, If you're cool with losing half this gun's value if a numbered part breaks, sure, go ahead and shoot it.
Norm

DavidJayUden · 11-01-2013, 09:57 PM

I'm usually on the fence regarding shooting the old Lugers, but this is one that I would vote, with great resolve, to not shoot. It is just too nice and rare.
Go out and buy a shooter for $800, shoot the heck out of it, and sell it when you are done with it for $900.
dju

winkzoot · 11-01-2013, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Jon, If you're cool with losing half this gun's value if a numbered part breaks, sure, go ahead and shoot it.
Norm

Understood, and thanks

mystical_tutor · 11-02-2013, 10:06 AM

The only thing I would add Jon, is that when you get the urge to check numbers Be extremely careful about removing the left grip. It is very easy to chip off the wood right behind the safety lever and on this gun that would be a disaster. Best to remove only the right grip and then look through the mag well to see the number on the right grip--if there is one.

I won't say wow, but how about just standing here and drooling.

Gary

rhuff · 11-02-2013, 06:08 PM

That is a true drool Luger!! Oh, to have that beauty in my safe. I am a shooter, but I would not shoot that one.

winkzoot · 11-02-2013, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mystical_tutor

The only thing I would add Jon, is that when you get the urge to check numbers Be extremely careful about removing the left grip. It is very easy to chip off the wood right behind the safety lever and on this gun that would be a disaster. Best to remove only the right grip and then look through the mag well to see the number on the right grip--if there is one.

I won't say wow, but how about just standing here and drooling.

Gary

Thanks, I did field strip it and the numbers I could easily check matched.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhuff

That is a true drool Luger!! Oh, to have that beauty in my safe. I am a shooter, but I would not shoot that one.

Agreed, It is safely in the safe and will stay there. My Grand dad had one other that I will post to P08 section that I beleive will be a shooter.

To all thanks for the information and quick replies. I have been around fire arms all my life but was more interested in shooting than collecting. That might have just changed.

Arizona Slim · 11-03-2013, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

r...Lugers are the potato chip gun.

Amen to that my brother.

I'll throw in my two cents on this one too Jon, that Navy is a collectors dream, keep it safe and welcome to the forum.

Lon

Ben M. · 11-03-2013, 12:28 PM

this seeler has nice one but very hi price. maybe the unit marks rises price?

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=29353

mrerick · 11-03-2013, 02:56 PM

Ben, Simpson's is a retail business, and the price you see on that listing reflects a retail price (including their overhead, profit, authentication, support and original acquisition cost.

The Navy in the post is in phenomenal condition, which is quite unusual as Navy Lugers were often exposed to corrosive conditions since they served on the sea and in the seaports.

Good decision not to shoot this one. They really do break. You'll find post shooting damage postings here and on the other collector forums. It would really be a shame to damage this one.

As you care for it, ensure that you keep it in low humidity conditions and away from things like leather holsters (which can lead to finish deterioration).

Your Grandfather has given you some amazing collectable Lugers. We are the caretakers of history.

ithacaartist · 11-03-2013, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben M.

http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=29353

I think Jon's is nicer than this one.

gunbugs · 11-04-2013, 12:01 AM

Nice pistol. I'm envious. It'll be real nice if you find a period holster laying around in Grandpa's pile.

11-01-2013, 06:43 PM	#1
winkzoot User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Help Identifying Naval P08 New to the forum and to Lugers. I have been trying to educate myself and I have what I believe is a 1914 pattern navy luger. Here is what know. Manufactured: DWM Grip Safety: None Stock Lug: Present Thumb Safety: Forward says Gesichert Barrel Length: 6 inch Rear Sight: 100/200 settings Magazine: Not matching, has wood knob All of the external numbers match. I have not dissassembled to verify the internals but knowing my Grandfather I would very surprised if they did not match as well. I am interested any information on it and an idea about value. Here are some pictures.

11-01-2013, 07:11 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Wow! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-01-2013, 08:17 PM	#5
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Sorry, have to add another wow! Welcome to the forum, Jon. It must be interesting to come struttin' in with something this nice. Grandfather knew his hardware, by the looks of it. If your pistol checks out, you have an exquisite collectible! But, ahem, it may be too late...I guess we'll know soon as you start looking for a shooter...Lugers are the potato chip gun. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

11-03-2013, 02:56 PM	#15
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Ben, Simpson's is a retail business, and the price you see on that listing reflects a retail price (including their overhead, profit, authentication, support and original acquisition cost. The Navy in the post is in phenomenal condition, which is quite unusual as Navy Lugers were often exposed to corrosive conditions since they served on the sea and in the seaports. Good decision not to shoot this one. They really do break. You'll find post shooting damage postings here and on the other collector forums. It would really be a shame to damage this one. As you care for it, ensure that you keep it in low humidity conditions and away from things like leather holsters (which can lead to finish deterioration). Your Grandfather has given you some amazing collectable Lugers. We are the caretakers of history. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-01-2013, 06:55 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jon, Welcome to the forum! Your Grandfather left you a very nice !908 Navy. It can be distinguished from the 1914 model by it's undated chamber and long frame. It's current value, assuming all parts are original, is about $5,000.00. Regards, Norm

11-01-2013, 07:37 PM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Wow about sums it up... Very nice Luger. Did you get an holster or other stuff with it? dju

11-01-2013, 09:33 PM	#6
winkzoot User Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks for the info and the quick responses. For now there is no holster but I would not be surprised to find it latter. Would it be taboo to fire this gun? It appears in complete working order. I did field strip it and clean it. The numbers that I could see inside also matched.

11-01-2013, 09:57 PM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'm usually on the fence regarding shooting the old Lugers, but this is one that I would vote, with great resolve, to not shoot. It is just too nice and rare. Go out and buy a shooter for $800, shoot the heck out of it, and sell it when you are done with it for $900. dju

11-02-2013, 10:06 AM	#10
mystical_tutor User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 230 Thanks: 32 Thanked 39 Times in 25 Posts	The only thing I would add Jon, is that when you get the urge to check numbers Be extremely careful about removing the left grip. It is very easy to chip off the wood right behind the safety lever and on this gun that would be a disaster. Best to remove only the right grip and then look through the mag well to see the number on the right grip--if there is one. I won't say wow, but how about just standing here and drooling. Gary

11-02-2013, 06:08 PM	#11
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	That is a true drool Luger!! Oh, to have that beauty in my safe. I am a shooter, but I would not shoot that one.

11-03-2013, 12:28 PM	#14
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	this seeler has nice one but very hi price. maybe the unit marks rises price? http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=29353

11-04-2013, 12:01 AM	#17
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 660 Thanks: 366 Thanked 1,179 Times in 395 Posts	Nice pistol. I'm envious. It'll be real nice if you find a period holster laying around in Grandpa's pile.