Artillery Holster Rig Real or Repo ? - Page 2

Lugerdoc · 12-27-2013, 09:30 PM

All looks good to me, even the holster with a replaced closure strap. Tom

lugerholsterrepair · 12-27-2013, 09:53 PM

Yes..IMO the strap on there now was replicated by a shoe repairman from the old broken one he had for a reference. The small thin black thread and type of stitching is that of a shoe repair shop. It's possible the holster is original..the ears over the cleaning rod are stitched properly and many of the small nuances lead me to believe it is correct. The only oddity that would lead me astray is the dark color under the top lid..One needs to see the back for more clues. it is a little difficult to access it because of the intracacies of the carry strap holding it close to the stock and most people don't want to undo it.
Usually when all the attaching leather is original and proper it is more likely than not to see an original holster with it. Not always but..
I am still confused about the serial # being found stamped into the wood where normally a military acceptance marking, a Crown S is found..

kro · 12-27-2013, 10:05 PM

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to look at the holster and provide input. I really appreciate it. I have no idea how to remove the stock from the holster and since it's not mine I don't want to experiment. If there are other pictures that would help please let me know.

wlyon · 12-27-2013, 10:18 PM

Ken
My suggestion for this holster is send it to Jerry Burney to replace the closing strap and anything else it might need. Thanks for the pics of the inside of the closing strap. For my money it's original with the exception of the closing strap and whatever on the back. Bill

kro · 12-27-2013, 11:17 PM

Thanks Bill that a great idea I'm going to pass that on to the owner.

alanint · 12-28-2013, 08:03 PM

The completely stitched edge of the closure strap, (as if it were made from two pieces of leather sewn together) and the sloppy stitching so far from the edges of the tool pouch are huge red flags for me.

Maestro · 12-28-2013, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Ken, Individual expression was not encouraged in Imperial Germany (or later for that matter) and military equipment was constructed to strict specifications. Any variance from the specified stitching pattern is a sure sign that a holster is fake. Compare the stitching on the closure strap of an authentic Artillery holster to yours, and you'll see the difference.
Regards, Norm

i like side-by-side comparisons visually! (click on the picture for larger view)

wlyon · 12-28-2013, 10:23 PM

We have all agreed that the closing strap and probably the keeper were replaced. The stitching in the above photos shows where the original one was stitched. The question, is the rest of the holster, at least the visible part, original ? As I said in my first post I feel it is original with some poorly replaced parts. Those who feel it is a reproduction or a fake please explain why. I am open to anything just forget the closing strap. As for the dark inside I have seen holsters where people thought they would look better if dyed . Interesting thread. Bill

Edward Tinker · 12-29-2013, 12:27 AM

wow, some conflicting opinions here - my first thought was that it is original, but I have been wrong many times looking at pictures of holsters

And that is my main point is that in person you can feel the leather, smell it, see its flaws and repairs, etc

Maestro · 12-29-2013, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

wow, some conflicting opinions here - my first thought was that it is original, but I have been wrong many times looking at pictures of holsters

And that is my main point is that in person you can feel the leather, smell it, see its flaws and repairs, etc

kro · 12-29-2013, 11:34 AM

The strap and the small piece that the strap goes through have been replaced I have included a picture of the back of the flap where the small piece has been resewn. I also included pics of the cleaning rod and tool please let me know your thoughts on these items

kro · 12-29-2013, 11:43 AM

Pics

klaus 3338 · 12-29-2013, 03:14 PM

Tool and rod seem to be correct but there are some things wrong with the stock.
As Jerry already mentioned should the crown acceptance mark (C/S for a 1917 DWM LP08) on the wood and not the weapon number. The numbers on the attaching iron should look like the numbers on the wood (with serifs).
I think someone tried to match a Finnish stock with the LP08.
What´s about the strap- as far I can see is ok but....
Regards
Klaus

12-27-2013, 09:30 PM	#21
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	All looks good to me, even the holster with a replaced closure strap. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

12-27-2013, 09:53 PM	#22
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Yes..IMO the strap on there now was replicated by a shoe repairman from the old broken one he had for a reference. The small thin black thread and type of stitching is that of a shoe repair shop. It's possible the holster is original..the ears over the cleaning rod are stitched properly and many of the small nuances lead me to believe it is correct. The only oddity that would lead me astray is the dark color under the top lid..One needs to see the back for more clues. it is a little difficult to access it because of the intracacies of the carry strap holding it close to the stock and most people don't want to undo it. Usually when all the attaching leather is original and proper it is more likely than not to see an original holster with it. Not always but.. I am still confused about the serial # being found stamped into the wood where normally a military acceptance marking, a Crown S is found.. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-27-2013, 10:18 PM	#24
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	Ken My suggestion for this holster is send it to Jerry Burney to replace the closing strap and anything else it might need. Thanks for the pics of the inside of the closing strap. For my money it's original with the exception of the closing strap and whatever on the back. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

12-28-2013, 10:23 PM	#28
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	We have all agreed that the closing strap and probably the keeper were replaced. The stitching in the above photos shows where the original one was stitched. The question, is the rest of the holster, at least the visible part, original ? As I said in my first post I feel it is original with some poorly replaced parts. Those who feel it is a reproduction or a fake please explain why. I am open to anything just forget the closing strap. As for the dark inside I have seen holsters where people thought they would look better if dyed . Interesting thread. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

12-29-2013, 12:27 AM	#29
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	wow, some conflicting opinions here - my first thought was that it is original, but I have been wrong many times looking at pictures of holsters And that is my main point is that in person you can feel the leather, smell it, see its flaws and repairs, etc __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-27-2013, 10:05 PM	#23
kro User Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 41 Thanks: 1 Thanked 12 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks to everyone for taking the time to look at the holster and provide input. I really appreciate it. I have no idea how to remove the stock from the holster and since it's not mine I don't want to experiment. If there are other pictures that would help please let me know.

12-27-2013, 11:17 PM	#25
kro User Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 41 Thanks: 1 Thanked 12 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks Bill that a great idea I'm going to pass that on to the owner.

12-28-2013, 08:03 PM	#26
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The completely stitched edge of the closure strap, (as if it were made from two pieces of leather sewn together) and the sloppy stitching so far from the edges of the tool pouch are huge red flags for me.

12-29-2013, 11:34 AM	#31
kro User Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 41 Thanks: 1 Thanked 12 Times in 4 Posts	More Pics The strap and the small piece that the strap goes through have been replaced I have included a picture of the back of the flap where the small piece has been resewn. I also included pics of the cleaning rod and tool please let me know your thoughts on these items

12-29-2013, 11:43 AM	#32
kro User Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 41 Thanks: 1 Thanked 12 Times in 4 Posts	Sorry pics didn't go in previous post Pics Attached Thumbnails

12-29-2013, 03:14 PM	#33
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 411 Times in 160 Posts	Tool and rod seem to be correct but there are some things wrong with the stock. As Jerry already mentioned should the crown acceptance mark (C/S for a 1917 DWM LP08) on the wood and not the weapon number. The numbers on the attaching iron should look like the numbers on the wood (with serifs). I think someone tried to match a Finnish stock with the LP08. What´s about the strap- as far I can see is ok but.... Regards Klaus