Ebay auction for Pamphlet

siegersallee · 07-06-2014, 03:47 PM

First, I have no interest in this auction what so ever.

I just thought someone might like to know:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1902-FI...p2056016.l4276 .

berkmberk1 · 07-06-2014, 06:18 PM

What would something like that go for? I love old books, military manuals, catalogs and such.

Edward Tinker · 07-06-2014, 08:15 PM

Tom Whiteman is selling it - I have seen very few of these - so, its likely worth what he is asking - that said, having that much spendable income is beyond me right now. Most i have spent is about $150-$200 for a early pamphlet

berkmberk1 · 07-06-2014, 09:21 PM

It definitely looks like it just came out of the box!

Ron Wood · 07-06-2014, 10:13 PM

Tough early manual to find. Goes well with a 1902 Fat Barrel! The ad isn't quite correct, the first English Language manual was indeed the first ever Luger manual. It seems odd that it would have been published in English since it probably was printed in late 1900-early 1901...you would think it would have been in German since it still refers to the "Borchardt-Luger's System".

CAP Black · 07-06-2014, 11:00 PM

Wow! That is a steep price tag.
Jack

nukem556 · 07-06-2014, 11:07 PM

It sure is....I paid less for my 1900 Commercial than they're asking for the manual!

Ron Wood · 07-06-2014, 11:11 PM

Actually the price is rather reasonable. Early Luger paper is quite expensive.

sheepherder · 07-06-2014, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Tough early manual to find. Goes well with a 1902 Fat Barrel! The ad isn't quite correct, the first English Language manual was indeed the first ever Luger manual. It seems odd that it would have been published in English since it probably was printed in late 1900-early 1901...you would think it would have been in German since it still refers to the "Borchardt-Luger's System".

Ron, why wouldn't this have been for the 1900AE??? Being in English would seem to make perfect sense...Since the AE was targeted at American market...

Ron Wood · 07-07-2014, 02:02 AM

Rich,
This is a good and valid question. Quite possibly it could have been for the AE. It would seem most logical to have it targeted at the Swiss since their initial purchase was significantly larger, both military and commercial, than the American market. The first “batch” of AE Lugers consisted of only about 200 guns, the known/recorded serial number range being 2002 to 2199. The Swiss acquisition, on the other hand, during that time frame was over ten times that amount. The next group of American Eagles did not occur until over 3000 serial numbers later. So on the face of things; it would seem that the first manual should have been in German.

It is obvious that the first English language manual was assembled from material on hand. The illustrations show the Type I safety (the AE Lugers had Type II) and the written information tends to draw from the earliest production (the parts breakdown speaks of a magazine that could be “disassembled”, a reference probably to the earliest “flat button” magazine which had a removable screw-in follower button). All of that material pre-dates the American Eagle but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t produced for the AE. There is no doubt in my mind that if there was a manual provided with the U.S. Test Trials Lugers, it would have been this one.

07-06-2014, 03:47 PM	#1
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 292 Thanks: 107 Thanked 57 Times in 34 Posts	Ebay auction for Pamphlet First, I have no interest in this auction what so ever. I just thought someone might like to know: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1902-FI...p2056016.l4276 . __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

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berkmberk1 User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Springfield, IL Posts: 49 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 4 Posts	What would something like that go for? I love old books, military manuals, catalogs and such. __________________ Michael D. Berk SFC, USA Ret.

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Tom Whiteman is selling it - I have seen very few of these - so, its likely worth what he is asking - that said, having that much spendable income is beyond me right now. Most i have spent is about $150-$200 for a early pamphlet __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-06-2014, 09:21 PM	#4
berkmberk1 User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Springfield, IL Posts: 49 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 4 Posts	It definitely looks like it just came out of the box! __________________ Michael D. Berk SFC, USA Ret.

07-06-2014, 10:13 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Tough early manual to find. Goes well with a 1902 Fat Barrel! The ad isn't quite correct, the first English Language manual was indeed the first ever Luger manual. It seems odd that it would have been published in English since it probably was printed in late 1900-early 1901...you would think it would have been in German since it still refers to the "Borchardt-Luger's System". Attached Thumbnails __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	Wow! That is a steep price tag. Jack

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nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	It sure is....I paid less for my 1900 Commercial than they're asking for the manual!

07-06-2014, 11:11 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Actually the price is rather reasonable. Early Luger paper is quite expensive. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-07-2014, 02:02 AM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Rich, This is a good and valid question. Quite possibly it could have been for the AE. It would seem most logical to have it targeted at the Swiss since their initial purchase was significantly larger, both military and commercial, than the American market. The first “batch” of AE Lugers consisted of only about 200 guns, the known/recorded serial number range being 2002 to 2199. The Swiss acquisition, on the other hand, during that time frame was over ten times that amount. The next group of American Eagles did not occur until over 3000 serial numbers later. So on the face of things; it would seem that the first manual should have been in German. It is obvious that the first English language manual was assembled from material on hand. The illustrations show the Type I safety (the AE Lugers had Type II) and the written information tends to draw from the earliest production (the parts breakdown speaks of a magazine that could be “disassembled”, a reference probably to the earliest “flat button” magazine which had a removable screw-in follower button). All of that material pre-dates the American Eagle but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t produced for the AE. There is no doubt in my mind that if there was a manual provided with the U.S. Test Trials Lugers, it would have been this one. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction