Opinions solicited on "THE BORCHARDT & LUGER AUTOMATIC PISTOLS"

siegersallee · 07-07-2014, 08:32 AM

What are your thoughts on this book with respect to quality and accuracy of information. How many own it?

THE BORCHARDT & LUGER AUTOMATIC PISTOLS.

Richard

Norme · 07-07-2014, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by siegersallee

What are your thoughts on this book with respect to quality and accuracy of information. How many own it?

THE BORCHARDT & LUGER AUTOMATIC PISTOLS.

Richard

Hi Richard, It's far and away the most complete and accurate book ever written about the Luger and it's accessories. It is a monumental achievement, and the collector community is in Dr. Sturgess' debt.
I own two copies, both the early edition with the green covers and the later one bound in red. The late one is the one to get, mainly because it comes with a disc containing a digital copy.
Regards, Norm

mrerick · 07-07-2014, 09:57 AM

I also bought this later edition and it is excellent. Truly Joachim Gortz and Dr. Sturgess' life's work.

It is remarkably thorough and (while there may be inaccuracies) the best reference I'm aware of.

The PDF copy is very convenient, especially when traveling or at gunshows. You can review it from smaller screens like PDAs, Phones and Tablets that have PDF viewers. The color photographs are in very high resolution in the PDF file.

The organization of the Red covered later edition is generally chronological, and it makes sense the way the history is presented.

While this masterwork seems expensive, I think it's worth every penny.

Marc

ithacaartist · 07-07-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mrerick

While this masterwork seems expensive, I think it's worth every penny.

Marc

A big +1 !

Arizona Slim · 07-07-2014, 11:38 AM

I agree completely with the opinions of the above contributors, the collection of information in this three book series by Joachim Gortz and Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess is, in my opinion, absolutely the best available and definitely worth the price.

Lon

sheepherder · 07-07-2014, 12:09 PM

Original announcement, links to YouTube review, comments, etc...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=29036

cirelaw · 07-07-2014, 12:44 PM

My only complaint is they are so darn heavy! My books in Law School weren't that heavy!!! Great Stuff! Eric

Ben M. · 07-07-2014, 01:02 PM

see the red set at gun shows for $250 with discs.

cirelaw · 07-07-2014, 01:09 PM

I found a vidio review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a7jsjp5xCQ Eric

Edward Tinker · 07-07-2014, 01:32 PM

as Rich said, several threads on this and the Previous version which Sturgess was not happy with. So a search may give you some other insight.

I had the original set and thought it good, but jumbled in chronological order, this latest version is very good.

--- see below, my concern on Simson was that Geoff wrote that the S toggle (or code as many look at it) were all stamped through out production or you can read it as after - but the truth is, I have a database of mixed Simson and Co and S toggle from 11a till production end

A small issue perhaps, but one that I have studied and was out in our book 7 years ago.

cirelaw · 07-07-2014, 01:41 PM

Sometimes big is too big!!! I always revert back to Jans' books as they seperate lugers into distint and seperate luger periods and histories! He is brilliant in his approach! Does anyone know his order of publication? Thank You Sir!! Eric

Dwight Gruber · 07-07-2014, 04:19 PM

The Red Set is very good. In most respects it is the epitome of Luger knowledge.

It is not perfect.

--Dwight

07-07-2014, 08:32 AM	#1
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07-07-2014, 09:57 AM	#3
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	I also bought this later edition and it is excellent. Truly Joachim Gortz and Dr. Sturgess' life's work. It is remarkably thorough and (while there may be inaccuracies) the best reference I'm aware of. The PDF copy is very convenient, especially when traveling or at gunshows. You can review it from smaller screens like PDAs, Phones and Tablets that have PDF viewers. The color photographs are in very high resolution in the PDF file. The organization of the Red covered later edition is generally chronological, and it makes sense the way the history is presented. While this masterwork seems expensive, I think it's worth every penny. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-07-2014, 12:09 PM	#6
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Original announcement, links to YouTube review, comments, etc... http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=29036 __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

07-07-2014, 01:32 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	as Rich said, several threads on this and the Previous version which Sturgess was not happy with. So a search may give you some other insight. I had the original set and thought it good, but jumbled in chronological order, this latest version is very good. --- see below, my concern on Simson was that Geoff wrote that the S toggle (or code as many look at it) were all stamped through out production or you can read it as after - but the truth is, I have a database of mixed Simson and Co and S toggle from 11a till production end A small issue perhaps, but one that I have studied and was out in our book 7 years ago. Attached Thumbnails

07-07-2014, 11:38 AM	#5
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	I agree completely with the opinions of the above contributors, the collection of information in this three book series by Joachim Gortz and Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess is, in my opinion, absolutely the best available and definitely worth the price. Lon

07-07-2014, 12:44 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	My only complaint is they are so darn heavy! My books in Law School weren't that heavy!!! Great Stuff! Eric

07-07-2014, 01:02 PM	#8
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	see the red set at gun shows for $250 with discs.

07-07-2014, 01:09 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I found a vidio review http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a7jsjp5xCQ Eric

07-07-2014, 01:41 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Sometimes big is too big!!! I always revert back to Jans' books as they seperate lugers into distint and seperate luger periods and histories! He is brilliant in his approach! Does anyone know his order of publication? Thank You Sir!! Eric

07-07-2014, 04:19 PM	#12
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	The Red Set is very good. In most respects it is the epitome of Luger knowledge. It is not perfect. --Dwight