Slow motion Luger firing cycle

John Sabato · 08-06-2014, 04:03 PM

Came across this animation gif file today. . . thought you would all enjoy watching it.

GySgt1811 · 08-06-2014, 04:32 PM

John,

Cool! The toggle bounces as it comes back to battery!!!

Gunny John

rhuff · 08-06-2014, 05:34 PM

That is a very nice video of what is happening.

Bill_in_VA · 08-06-2014, 06:14 PM

Very cool. Echoing Gunny John, I never noticed, let alone even considered bolt bounce in a P.08. I wonder if it's endemic to all P.08 or just this one? (I.e., is this one badly worn? Is it even a real P.08 and not one of those model guns?)

Vlim · 08-06-2014, 06:25 PM

The first pistols even had an antibounce-lock fitted. So it must have been of some concearn to Luger or Borchardt. When they found out the bounce is only minimal, they dropped the bounce lock alltogether.

GySgt1811 · 08-06-2014, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

The first pistols even had an antibounce-lock fitted. So it must have been of some concearn to Luger or Borchardt. When they found out the bounce is only minimal, they dropped the bounce lock alltogether.

Vlim,

How did they even know it was bouncing? Wow!

Guns

Sergio Natali · 08-07-2014, 04:28 AM

John thanks it's very nice, the gun flips a lot also because it's held only with one hand.

Sergio

kurusu · 08-07-2014, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlim

The first pistols even had an antibounce-lock fitted. So it must have been of some concearn to Luger or Borchardt. When they found out the bounce is only minimal, they dropped the bounce lock alltogether.

From what I understand the bounce was not so minimal in the 1900 model with the flat mainspring. The new coil mainspring made the anti bouce lock superfluous.

Douglas Jr. · 08-07-2014, 10:41 AM

That's a great video!
Thanks for sharing.
Douglas.

John Sabato · 08-07-2014, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

John thanks it's very nice, the gun flips a lot also because it's held only with one hand.

Sergio

I am sure one of the reasons the gun flips up is the fact that the toggle is exerting inertia both UP and Back, unlike a John Browning design, like the 1911 Colt where most of the recoil is straight back...

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Originally Posted by Bill_in_VA

... I wonder if it's endemic to all P.08...? (I.e., is this one badly worn? Is it even a real P.08 and not one of those model guns?)

The answer to your questions are Yes, Yes, and this is definitely a REAL P.08...

Sergio Natali · 08-08-2014, 03:49 AM

Yes John, I agree wih you, apart from the fact that even with a 1911 if the left hand grip is not quite firm makes the gun flips up.

Sergio

lfid · 08-08-2014, 04:11 AM

perhaps the bounce is reason for the broken frame tab and/or the bottom hook part of the toggle lock on some 1900 ?

Ron Wood · 08-08-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lfid

perhaps the bounce is reason for the broken frame tab and/or the bottom hook part of the toggle lock on some 1900 ?

Perhaps. I would think it is as much to do with metal fatigue. Those two small parts are exercised with every shot taken. It may also be due to ignorance on the part of the individual handling the weapon. I briefly watched a person struggling to open the toggle of a 1900. He was convinced the toggle was jammed and was exerting quite a bit of effort to open the action. I stepped in and showed him that the receiver must be pulled slightly to the rear to disengage the toggle lock and then the action opens easily.

08-06-2014, 04:03 PM	#1
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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	John thanks it's very nice, the gun flips a lot also because it's held only with one hand. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Yes John, I agree wih you, apart from the fact that even with a 1911 if the left hand grip is not quite firm makes the gun flips up. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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GySgt1811 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 237 Thanks: 1,238 Thanked 126 Times in 84 Posts	John, Cool! The toggle bounces as it comes back to battery!!! Gunny John

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rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	That is a very nice video of what is happening.

08-06-2014, 06:14 PM	#4
Bill_in_VA User Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Southwest Virginia Posts: 373 Thanks: 772 Thanked 554 Times in 198 Posts	Very cool. Echoing Gunny John, I never noticed, let alone even considered bolt bounce in a P.08. I wonder if it's endemic to all P.08 or just this one? (I.e., is this one badly worn? Is it even a real P.08 and not one of those model guns?)

08-06-2014, 06:25 PM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	The first pistols even had an antibounce-lock fitted. So it must have been of some concearn to Luger or Borchardt. When they found out the bounce is only minimal, they dropped the bounce lock alltogether.

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Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	That's a great video! Thanks for sharing. Douglas.

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lfid Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wichita, KS USA Posts: 453 Thanks: 573 Thanked 96 Times in 53 Posts	perhaps the bounce is reason for the broken frame tab and/or the bottom hook part of the toggle lock on some 1900 ?