DWM Identification & value

campfooey · 11-18-2014, 04:11 PM

I have a chance to buy a Luger from a friend of a friend. I'll try to describe it the best I can. Its a DWM 6in. barrel with 100 & 200 sights the mag. has a M and serial number of pistol & ringed sides. The numbers all match and are in the hidden position there are no proof marks on the right or left side of receiver or the barrel the only proof I can find is on the front toggle on the left side it looks to be (N with a crown and maybe a cross on top of the crown). It has wood grips but no numbers on them. Its a 30 cal. and is maybe 75% overall. He wants 2500.00 and I thought it seemed pretty high so I thought I'd see what you guys thought. John

campfooey · 11-18-2014, 04:20 PM

There is no grip safety and the GESICHERT is hidden with the safety lever in up position

George Anderson · 11-18-2014, 04:26 PM

It sounds like you have a Navy P04 or a commercial 1920 Navy model. But the mag sounds like a pre 1917 P04 Navy mag. Photos would help.

Edward Tinker · 11-18-2014, 06:35 PM

Unless it is a fake, the price sound about right, but Photos are needed

And almost any, nice luger is $1500+ Any really nice luger is more than that...

everything depends on model, type

Dwight Gruber · 11-18-2014, 08:22 PM

Please report the complete serial number, with letter suffix if present. This is crucial information in order to answer your questions.

Photos would be useful.

--Dwight

campfooey · 11-18-2014, 09:27 PM

I'll get the serial numbers and the crown N is on the breechblock serial no 7056 looks like M

campfooey · 11-18-2014, 10:25 PM

I drew a picture of the letter under the ser. no. 7056 I'll see if I can post a picture of the mark

campfooey · 11-20-2014, 10:44 PM

Any help would help
I'm just getting in to lugers I thought the commercials had 5 digit serials numbers

DavidJayUden · 11-20-2014, 10:56 PM

I believe that, and I'm no expert, that the commercial could go up into the 5 digit range, once it passes the 9999th unit.
dju

Dwight Gruber · 11-20-2014, 11:31 PM

I looked at the pictures you posted on Jan Still's forum.

The pistol's serial number is 7056p.

The frame is that of a P08 alphabet commercial made about 1926.

The receiver and toggle assembly appear to be Imperial navy parts probably from 196-1917. All markings--chamber date and proofs--have been removed. The absence of German commercial proofs and any GERMANY export marking suggest that the barrel was replaced long after the gun left Germany.

The magazine has been re-stamped to no known official standard.

The asking price for the pistol as presented is $1,300 too much.

--Dwight

campfooey · 11-21-2014, 11:30 AM

That helps a lot I was leary of the pistol although it seemed to be priced to high I'll pass on this one

nukem556 · 11-23-2014, 08:51 PM

Umm...almost ANY decent mismatched Luger is worth about 700.00....a real Navy rear sight's worth about 500.00....with the added shootability of a 6in barrel, I don't think 1300.00 is a crazy price.

Dwight Gruber · 11-24-2014, 03:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nukem556

....with the added shootability of a 6in barrel,....

.30 cal. tends to offset any value-addition for the 6-in. barrel.

--Dwight

campfooey · 12-01-2014, 08:54 PM

thanks again I'm starting to read a lot about the Luger but there is sure a lot too know you guys real help a rookie

11-18-2014, 04:11 PM	#1
campfooey User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 72 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	DWM Identification & value I have a chance to buy a Luger from a friend of a friend. I'll try to describe it the best I can. Its a DWM 6in. barrel with 100 & 200 sights the mag. has a M and serial number of pistol & ringed sides. The numbers all match and are in the hidden position there are no proof marks on the right or left side of receiver or the barrel the only proof I can find is on the front toggle on the left side it looks to be (N with a crown and maybe a cross on top of the crown). It has wood grips but no numbers on them. Its a 30 cal. and is maybe 75% overall. He wants 2500.00 and I thought it seemed pretty high so I thought I'd see what you guys thought. John

11-18-2014, 06:35 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Unless it is a fake, the price sound about right, but Photos are needed And almost any, nice luger is $1500+ Any really nice luger is more than that... everything depends on model, type __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-18-2014, 10:25 PM	#7
campfooey User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 72 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	I drew a picture of the letter under the ser. no. 7056 I'll see if I can post a picture of the mark Attached Thumbnails

11-18-2014, 04:20 PM	#2
campfooey User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 72 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	There is no grip safety and the GESICHERT is hidden with the safety lever in up position

11-18-2014, 04:26 PM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	It sounds like you have a Navy P04 or a commercial 1920 Navy model. But the mag sounds like a pre 1917 P04 Navy mag. Photos would help.

11-18-2014, 08:22 PM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Please report the complete serial number, with letter suffix if present. This is crucial information in order to answer your questions. Photos would be useful. --Dwight

11-18-2014, 09:27 PM	#6
campfooey User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 72 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	I'll get the serial numbers and the crown N is on the breechblock serial no 7056 looks like M

11-20-2014, 10:44 PM	#8
campfooey User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 72 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Any help would help I'm just getting in to lugers I thought the commercials had 5 digit serials numbers

11-20-2014, 10:56 PM	#9
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I believe that, and I'm no expert, that the commercial could go up into the 5 digit range, once it passes the 9999th unit. dju

11-20-2014, 11:31 PM	#10
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	I looked at the pictures you posted on Jan Still's forum. The pistol's serial number is 7056p. The frame is that of a P08 alphabet commercial made about 1926. The receiver and toggle assembly appear to be Imperial navy parts probably from 196-1917. All markings--chamber date and proofs--have been removed. The absence of German commercial proofs and any GERMANY export marking suggest that the barrel was replaced long after the gun left Germany. The magazine has been re-stamped to no known official standard. The asking price for the pistol as presented is $1,300 too much. --Dwight

11-21-2014, 11:30 AM	#11
campfooey User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 72 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	That helps a lot I was leary of the pistol although it seemed to be priced to high I'll pass on this one

11-23-2014, 08:51 PM	#12
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Umm...almost ANY decent mismatched Luger is worth about 700.00....a real Navy rear sight's worth about 500.00....with the added shootability of a 6in barrel, I don't think 1300.00 is a crazy price.

12-01-2014, 08:54 PM	#14
campfooey User Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 72 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	thanks again I'm starting to read a lot about the Luger but there is sure a lot too know you guys real help a rookie