Mexican / American 1900 test Eagle?

lugerholsterrepair · 01-11-2004, 01:42 AM

Anyone have a comment about this one? Re-blued?
Good buy? What do you think?

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=14976397

Jerry Burney

Ron Wood · 01-11-2004, 01:54 AM

If you want a WAG, I would say that it is a buffed and reblued (over pits and dings) 1900 American Eagle that was presented to somebody who served on the municipal police force in Guadalajara from 1971 to 1973. Is it a good buy?...No. Maybe at half the "buy it now" price, but that's a stretch.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-11-2004, 02:06 AM

Ron, Well, That's pretty much what I thought....I am not too knowledgable about these early pistols. Imperial pistols are more down my line. Thanks for your opinion. I am sure it is spot on. Jerry Burney

Doug G. · 01-11-2004, 02:07 AM

Badges!! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING BADGES!!!!

Seriously though, what a load of crap that seller is spewing! <img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" /> Look in the blue book and it's pretty easy for a complete novice to deduce that the AE is not the symbol for Mexico! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> It retains 70% it the blue (re-blue) it should honestly say! I think this guy has been in the California sun tooo long.

Bottom line is you have to get it for about $400 in order to have Ted refinish it and Hugh fix the grip. Then you would have something worth having! <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" />

drbuster · 01-11-2004, 04:05 PM

Obviously the seller or this item appears ignorant of AE Lugers in general and this item in particular. Imagine confusing the eagle crest with the "crest of Mexico"! I posted on the Forum some time ago a similar 1900 that still resides in Mike Krause's shop here in San Mateo. It has the same marking on the barrel top and is not reblued. It's in pretty lousy shape and the machanism is very loose. Would hate to see what happened if it had a 7.65 round put through it! The only response I received was that Krause's particular 1900 did NOT have the police marking when it was imported into the USA. Presumably, several "surplus" 1900 AE's were sold to the police force of Guadalajara and ended up this way. How many, no one apparently knows as no further replies came forth to my posting.

Edward Tinker · 01-11-2004, 05:04 PM

There is a question from the seller on Jan's forum (from this AM), the guy selling it was asking a question, now I see it is sold

Ed

drbuster · 01-12-2004, 01:38 AM

No Ed, it has been relisted with a "Buy Now" feature of "only" $2400! The seller has now been "informed" that the dished toggles were on the "rare test lugers". I hope whoever "informed" him of the new information should continue to inform him. Until we get the serial number, we will never know. I guess even a test piece could have somehow ended up with the Guadalajara gendarmes.

Edward Tinker · 01-12-2004, 01:47 AM

FUNNY STUFF Herb!!

ViggoG · 01-14-2004, 02:06 AM

I am particularly impressed by The following Quote
"I am now told this is a German-made DWM 1900 or 1906 AMERICAN EAGLE Luger pistol."
I believe that Dished Toggles and the Old Frame were abonded prior to the 1906 AE issue so this must be a 1900 or 1902 AE (Possibly a Commercial Model ?)
Now My question;
Were there any 1900 commercial series with the "AE" sold after the "Test Eagle Series" was completed ?
ViggoG

Ron Wood · 01-14-2004, 03:01 AM

Production of 1900 American Eagles continued well past the US Test series, up to around the 20,000 serial number range.

ViggoG · 01-14-2004, 03:41 AM

Thanks Ron,
I guess that would mean that the chances of it being a "Test Eagle" would run below
500 to 1 "NO".
Thats almost "Less than No Chance At All" in my book.
ViggoG

Edward Tinker · 01-14-2004, 10:59 AM

I e-mailed him, he is pretty insistant that it is an original (non-reblued) AE, not sure if he is still believing it is a test piece, i asked him the serial number and he didn't reply.

Ed

Vlim · 01-14-2004, 11:03 AM

The serial is now mentioned and
With that serial number (19xxx),
it's absolutely no test-eagle, but rather an early commercial.

01-11-2004, 01:42 AM	#1
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Mexican / American 1900 test Eagle? Anyone have a comment about this one? Re-blued? Good buy? What do you think? http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=14976397 Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-11-2004, 01:54 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	If you want a WAG, I would say that it is a buffed and reblued (over pits and dings) 1900 American Eagle that was presented to somebody who served on the municipal police force in Guadalajara from 1971 to 1973. Is it a good buy?...No. Maybe at half the "buy it now" price, but that's a stretch. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-11-2004, 02:06 AM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Ron, Well, That's pretty much what I thought....I am not too knowledgable about these early pistols. Imperial pistols are more down my line. Thanks for your opinion. I am sure it is spot on. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-11-2004, 02:07 AM	#4
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Badges!! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING BADGES!!!! Seriously though, what a load of crap that seller is spewing! <img border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" title="" src="graemlins/cussing.gif" /> Look in the blue book and it's pretty easy for a complete novice to deduce that the AE is not the symbol for Mexico! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> It retains 70% it the blue (re-blue) it should honestly say! I think this guy has been in the California sun tooo long. Bottom line is you have to get it for about $400 in order to have Ted refinish it and Hugh fix the grip. Then you would have something worth having! <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

01-11-2004, 05:04 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	There is a question from the seller on Jan's forum (from this AM), the guy selling it was asking a question, now I see it is sold Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-11-2004, 04:05 PM	#5
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Obviously the seller or this item appears ignorant of AE Lugers in general and this item in particular. Imagine confusing the eagle crest with the "crest of Mexico"! I posted on the Forum some time ago a similar 1900 that still resides in Mike Krause's shop here in San Mateo. It has the same marking on the barrel top and is not reblued. It's in pretty lousy shape and the machanism is very loose. Would hate to see what happened if it had a 7.65 round put through it! The only response I received was that Krause's particular 1900 did NOT have the police marking when it was imported into the USA. Presumably, several "surplus" 1900 AE's were sold to the police force of Guadalajara and ended up this way. How many, no one apparently knows as no further replies came forth to my posting.

01-12-2004, 01:38 AM	#7
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	No Ed, it has been relisted with a "Buy Now" feature of "only" $2400! The seller has now been "informed" that the dished toggles were on the "rare test lugers". I hope whoever "informed" him of the new information should continue to inform him. Until we get the serial number, we will never know. I guess even a test piece could have somehow ended up with the Guadalajara gendarmes.

01-12-2004, 01:47 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	FUNNY STUFF Herb!! __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-14-2004, 02:06 AM	#9
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I am particularly impressed by The following Quote "I am now told this is a German-made DWM 1900 or 1906 AMERICAN EAGLE Luger pistol." I believe that Dished Toggles and the Old Frame were abonded prior to the 1906 AE issue so this must be a 1900 or 1902 AE (Possibly a Commercial Model ?) Now My question; Were there any 1900 commercial series with the "AE" sold after the "Test Eagle Series" was completed ? ViggoG

01-14-2004, 03:01 AM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Production of 1900 American Eagles continued well past the US Test series, up to around the 20,000 serial number range. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-14-2004, 03:41 AM	#11
ViggoG RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Side Virginia Posts: 534 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thanks Ron, I guess that would mean that the chances of it being a "Test Eagle" would run below 500 to 1 "NO". Thats almost "Less than No Chance At All" in my book. ViggoG

01-14-2004, 10:59 AM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I e-mailed him, he is pretty insistant that it is an original (non-reblued) AE, not sure if he is still believing it is a test piece, i asked him the serial number and he didn't reply. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-14-2004, 11:03 AM	#13
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	The serial is now mentioned and With that serial number (19xxx), it's absolutely no test-eagle, but rather an early commercial.