1908 Bulgarian contract census

spacecoast · 01-16-2014, 09:30 PM

If anyone here has a relatively intact 1908 Bulgarian contract Luger (DWM over chamber, Cyrillic markings, etc.), we are making a list of all such pistols that can be found at

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...lgarian-census

So far we are up to 37 documented guns. If you don't want to join that forum to reply, just leave your info here and I will be happy to add it to the list. Pictures are greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

spacecoast · 02-13-2014, 12:42 PM

The 1908 Bulgarian contract census is up to 47 pistols. Would love to add some more or fill in the gaps for the unknowns if you have seen one of these pistols in person or online.

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...lgarian-census

Sergio Natali · 02-13-2014, 03:39 PM

I've got one, with DWM over chamber, cyrillic writing instead of the classic "gesichert" bulgarian lion on toggle, BUT since we in Italy we cannot have 9 Para it has been rebarreled in 30 Luger. The s/n is 836

Hope it's useful tp your census.

Sergio

spacecoast · 02-13-2014, 07:49 PM

Sergio -

Thanks very much, I will add it to the list! If you have pictures to post, that would be very appreciated as well.

Edward Tinker · 02-13-2014, 08:47 PM

suggest you start a new list here for info - not everyone here is a member there

spacecoast · 02-14-2014, 02:38 PM

spacecoast · 02-23-2015, 09:41 AM

spacecoast · 03-23-2016, 12:44 PM

We've made a lot of progress in a year - now up to 84 M1911 Bulgarians, 44 of which appear to be original finish/parts.

http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...s-and-counting

01-16-2014, 09:30 PM	#1
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	1908 Bulgarian contract census If anyone here has a relatively intact 1908 Bulgarian contract Luger (DWM over chamber, Cyrillic markings, etc.), we are making a list of all such pistols that can be found at http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...lgarian-census So far we are up to 37 documented guns. If you don't want to join that forum to reply, just leave your info here and I will be happy to add it to the list. Pictures are greatly appreciated. Thanks!

02-13-2014, 03:39 PM	#3
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I've got one, with DWM over chamber, cyrillic writing instead of the classic "gesichert" bulgarian lion on toggle, BUT since we in Italy we cannot have 9 Para it has been rebarreled in 30 Luger. The s/n is 836 Hope it's useful tp your census. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-13-2014, 08:47 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	suggest you start a new list here for info - not everyone here is a member there __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-14-2014, 02:38 PM	#6
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	Edward - I've attempted to reproduce the table here, not sure how it will turn out: Serial # Restored / MisMatched Reference 1 33? R/MM http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=23713 2 low 3-digit http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com...1114Bulg08.htm 3 161 R/MM http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-1108...n-luger-42333/ 4 165 MM http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat58_s.txt 5 356 http://www.ggrelics.com/earlylugers.html 6 397 see thread below 7 654 http://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/view...p?lot=3261-346 8 771 Luger Variations, Vol. 1 (Jones), p. 121 9 836 MM http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost.php?p=249913 10 847 Luger Variations, vol. 1 (Jones), p. 121 11 866 http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost.php?p=137101 12 934 MM http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat63_s.txt 13 1074 R http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4811039 14 1193 R http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-435-...ger-rig-33117/ 15 1425 R/MM http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...ulgarian-Luger 16 1431 R http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=385377458 17 1590 http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ulgarian-Luger 18 1916 R http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...th_%202008.pdf 19 2304 R http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...d/1018/lid/298 20 2504 http://rec.guns.narkive.com/CNQDoO7N...a-luger-pistol 21 2549 http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat47_S.txt 22 3362 see thread below 23 3877 http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-LUGER-SN-3877 24 4179 see thread below 25 unknown The Luger Pistol (Datig, revised edition), pp. 119-120 26 xx32 https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...8397403&type=1 27 x268 https://www.turners.com/shop/gundetail.php?id=11190 28 68C http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-436-...t-luger-32220/ 29 187C http://luger.gunboards.com/archive/i...hp/t-2564.html 30 197C http://historical.ha.com/c/item.zx?s...05&lotNo=32281 31 271C http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ulgarian-Luger 32 273C http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost...2&postcount=13 33 381C The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols, Volumes 1-3 (Gortz and Sturgess) 34 544C http://luger.gunboards.com/archive/i...p/t-13655.html 35 556C R https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...43&lid=9512771 36 561C http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ulgarian-Luger 37 698C MM http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-1908-sn-698-C 38 938C see thread below 39 963C http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ulgarian-Luger 40 993C http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...o-Value-needed 41 1034C https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...62&lid=7334989 42 1110C http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...an-Luger/page2 43 1276C http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...id/55/lid/1590 44 1339C http://www.icollector.com/Scarce-190...istol_i9752797 45 3883C http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com...ulgarian08.htm 46 unknown http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost.php?p=188217 47 unknown http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost.php?p=105709 48 unknown http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost.php?p=240593 49 unknown http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...&postcount=128 Not ideal, but somewhat readable even if the longer links did not come across cleanly. I'll try to keep this one in sync with changes to the one at luger.gunboards.com Last edited by spacecoast; 02-15-2014 at 08:28 AM. Reason: Added a 49th pistol, #1074

02-13-2014, 12:42 PM	#2
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	The 1908 Bulgarian contract census is up to 47 pistols. Would love to add some more or fill in the gaps for the unknowns if you have seen one of these pistols in person or online. http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...lgarian-census

02-13-2014, 07:49 PM	#4
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	Sergio - Thanks very much, I will add it to the list! If you have pictures to post, that would be very appreciated as well.

02-23-2015, 09:41 AM	#7
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	Updating the list after a year, we are now up to 62 of these guns known to exist in whole or mostly whole form. The vast majority of the 10,000 made were either lost in war (both Balkan Wars, WWI and/or WWII) or broken up for parts following WWII. The main list is maintained at http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...lgarian-census. A copy of the serials and links is shown below. Serial # Restored / MisMatched Reference 1 33 R/MM http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=23713 2 low 3-digit http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com...1114Bulg08.htm 3 161 R/MM http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-1108...n-luger-42333/ 4 165 MM http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat58_s.txt 5 356 http://www.ggrelics.com/earlylugers.html 6 377 http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com/1783Bulg08.htm 7 397 see thread below 8 649 R see thread below 9 654 http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-3261...t-luger-52860/ Also Pistole Parabellum (Gortz and Sturgess), page 841 10 771 Pictured in Luger Variations, Vol. 1 (Jones), p. 121 11 836 MM http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost.php?p=249913 12 847 Mentioned in Luger Variations, vol. 1 (Jones), p. 121 13 866 http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost.php?p=137101 14 934 MM http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat63_s.txt 15 1074 R http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4811039 16 1193 R http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-435-...ger-rig-33117/ 17 1268 http://www2.turners.com/gunrack/gundetail.php?id=11190 18 1425 R/MM http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...ulgarian-Luger 19 1431 R http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-1185...t-luger-50317/ 20 1590 http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ulgarian-Luger 21 1839 http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...id/63/lid/1524 22 1916 R/MM http://photos.imageevent.com/badgerd...th_%202008.pdf 23 2104 R http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost...13&postcount=9 24 2304 R http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...d/1018/lid/298 25 2341 MM http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=446487673 26 2504 http://rec.guns.narkive.com/CNQDoO7N...a-luger-pistol 27 2549 http://www.hermann-historica-archiv....db=kat47_S.txt 28 2720 MM see thread below and http://www.simpsonltd.com/product_in...ducts_id=37116 29 3362 see thread below 30 3532? https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...8397403&type=1 31 3877 http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-LUGER-SN-3877 32 4179 see thread below 33 4447 http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com...ulgarian08.htm 34 20C R/MM http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...1906+bulgarian 35 68C http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-436-...t-luger-32220/ 36 187C http://luger.gunboards.com/archive/i...hp/t-2564.html 37 197C R? http://historical.ha.com/c/item.zx?s...05&lotNo=32281 38 271C http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ulgarian-Luger 39 273C http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost...2&postcount=13 40 371C http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost.php?p=188217 41 381C Pistole Parabellum (Gortz and Sturgess), pages 525, 526, 841, 1446 42 544C http://luger.gunboards.com/archive/i...p/t-13655.html 43 556C R https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...43&lid=9512771 44 561C http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ulgarian-Luger 45 644C https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...613&rfpb=0#Top 46 698C MM http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-1908-sn-698-C 47 767C http://kolekcionari.com/forum/milita...4666#post34666 48 938C see thread below 49 963C http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...ulgarian-Luger 50 993C http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...o-Value-needed 51 1034C https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...62&lid=7334989 52 1110C http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...an-Luger/page2 53 1191C http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4850643 54 1276C http://www.rockislandauction.com/vie...id/55/lid/1590 55 1339C http://www.icollector.com/Scarce-190...istol_i9752797 56 3883C http://www.phoenixinvestmentarms.com...ulgarian08.htm 57 unknown The Luger Pistol (Datig, revised edition), pp. 119-120 58 unknown http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost.php?p=105709 59 unknown MM http://forum.lugerforum.com/showpost.php?p=240593 60 unknown http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...&postcount=128 61 unknown Pictured in March 1967 issue of Guns & Ammo Magazine (Colorful World of Lugers issue), p. 42 62 unknown Luger Tips by Michael Reese II, Revised Edition p. 41

03-23-2016, 12:44 PM	#8
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	We've made a lot of progress in a year - now up to 84 M1911 Bulgarians, 44 of which appear to be original finish/parts. http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...s-and-counting