Proof On Test Grips~ - Page 2

wlyon · 09-02-2016, 04:06 PM

Eric
Look at the difference in stitching size, on the belt attachment below the rivets, on yours and on Land of Borchardt. The fine stitching is the first clue on an original and a repro. Nice luger. Sorry but the holster looks like more of Ralph's factory work. Bill

DonVoigt · 09-02-2016, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wlyon

Eric
Look at the difference in stitching size, on the belt attachment below the rivets, on yours and on Land of Borchardt. The fine stitching is the first clue on an original and a repro. Nice luger. Sorry but the holster looks like more of Ralph's factory work. Bill

"Ever been stung by a dead bee?"

What a shame, but once you know what to look for, it jumps out at you. Thanks Bill.

cirelaw · 09-02-2016, 05:39 PM

Its been physically examined before a one of our most knowledgable member who is one of our best sources and found legit! There were 1001 individual holsters which used several individual sewing machines and operators. No 2 can be exactly the same. Some had different inspection markings. Please display one of the other so-called real fakes for comparison. It has age Wear, Toggle and Lever impressions that line up perfectly with the test gun and two holster impressions evident below that is impossible to fake, years! . Have any of you held, smelt or compared one of the so labeled 'real' ones! Pictures alone can only show one aspect. No two anything done by different hands and sewing machines and skill are alike. Especially using leather! Its 1000% legit!!! Thank you again for your valuable concerns for my luger well being!!! Eric

wlyon · 09-02-2016, 07:29 PM

He was good. They were all made at the Rock Island Arsenal from, the same pattern. Different inspectors marks does not mean anything except different inspectors. Not trying to pick on you but collector information is what this forum is about. Bill

DonVoigt · 09-02-2016, 07:37 PM

Eric,
anything can be faked. Including leather, age, and impressions.

I don't know myself about your particular holster; just that in general it can be done.
After all it has been 50 years since that guy was "in business".

For your sake I hope it is genuine.

Ben M. · 09-04-2016, 01:34 PM

cirelaw no white lines about toggle latch?

cirelaw · 09-05-2016, 10:46 AM

Yes, toggle lines occur from use. This is my only pristene luger that is in its original state as compared to the test piece which saw normal use!

Ben M. · 09-06-2016, 11:45 PM

white lines at framerail goes away with re-fin worx

cirelaw · 09-07-2016, 12:11 AM

Thanks Dave. Luger auction prices are like political polls~ Just one indicator of and abstract value~ The are unique and their value is personal and I love each of them!

09-02-2016, 04:06 PM	#21
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	Eric Look at the difference in stitching size, on the belt attachment below the rivets, on yours and on Land of Borchardt. The fine stitching is the first clue on an original and a repro. Nice luger. Sorry but the holster looks like more of Ralph's factory work. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-02-2016, 05:39 PM	#23
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Its been physically examined before a one of our most knowledgable member who is one of our best sources and found legit! There were 1001 individual holsters which used several individual sewing machines and operators. No 2 can be exactly the same. Some had different inspection markings. Please display one of the other so-called real fakes for comparison. It has age Wear, Toggle and Lever impressions that line up perfectly with the test gun and two holster impressions evident below that is impossible to fake, years! . Have any of you held, smelt or compared one of the so labeled 'real' ones! Pictures alone can only show one aspect. No two anything done by different hands and sewing machines and skill are alike. Especially using leather! Its 1000% legit!!! Thank you again for your valuable concerns for my luger well being!!! Eric Attached Thumbnails

09-02-2016, 07:29 PM	#24
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	He was good. They were all made at the Rock Island Arsenal from, the same pattern. Different inspectors marks does not mean anything except different inspectors. Not trying to pick on you but collector information is what this forum is about. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-02-2016, 07:37 PM	#25
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Eric, anything can be faked. Including leather, age, and impressions. I don't know myself about your particular holster; just that in general it can be done. After all it has been 50 years since that guy was "in business". For your sake I hope it is genuine. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

09-05-2016, 10:46 AM	#27
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Yes, toggle lines occur from use. This is my only pristene luger that is in its original state as compared to the test piece which saw normal use! Attached Thumbnails

09-04-2016, 01:34 PM	#26
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	cirelaw no white lines about toggle latch?

09-06-2016, 11:45 PM	#28
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	white lines at framerail goes away with re-fin worx

09-07-2016, 12:11 AM	#29
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thanks Dave. Luger auction prices are like political polls~ Just one indicator of and abstract value~ The are unique and their value is personal and I love each of them!