Interarms from RIAC - Page 2

alvin · 05-10-2017, 06:50 AM

I told kids at dinner table that I bought a pair of Parabellums for them. Everyone's reaction was different.

Younger kid asked "What is that? Never heard of it" -- he's too young to play these anyway.

Elder kid asked "Luger? I thought that you don't play Lugers..." -- well, I don't play Lugers, but you can play Lugers. It's your gift. Keep yours NIB in future though. Save the box well don't throw them away. Don't shoot it. And, going Springfield gunshow with your friends is OK but don't spend your money on any gun before consulting me.

Wife asked "if it's cheap, why did not you buy more?" -- well, missed that Navy pair on Day 2... on Day 3, what else worth considering? And, investment requires diversity, fewer can limit the risk of future uncertainty.

alvin · 05-10-2017, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leather Neck

Check Point Charlie's recently had two LNIB Mauser Interarms Lugers, one in .30 and one in 9mm. As well as I remember, they were both in the $800 or $900 range; definitely under $1,000. I was very tempted to grab the 9mm one, but I couldn't justify it.

Charlie is a great guy, and he carries many items. I ordered some NIB C&R ammo from him in the past. His main area of items and item conditions are not in my main area of playing though.

mauro · 05-10-2017, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leather Neck

Check Point Charlie's recently had two LNIB Mauser Interarms Lugers, one in .30 and one in 9mm. As well as I remember, they were both in the $800 or $900 range; definitely under $1,000. I was very tempted to grab the 9mm one, but I couldn't justify it.

The price is absolutely good. Again you can notice that the .30 Luger is sold at the same price as the more common 9mm.

When possible try to buy early sn and if you buy a .30 Luger don't forget to check for the certificate (http://www.lugerlp08.com/mauser%20pa...tification.htm), the Mauser Parabellum are the only Luger for which the production books are still available and the certificate will be a great add-on for the future value.

Cheers,
Mauro

alvin · 05-10-2017, 02:05 PM

This certification service is great.

I will let kids know. I will forward the information "domain researcher has certification service on the pistol".. my elder kid works and has some interest in guns, he should have interest. The younger one still depends on me... if his brother does not pay for his sample, I will do it when item arrives.

mauro · 05-10-2017, 02:07 PM

Sure Alvin,
When you have the sn of the pistols let me know.
I will go trough the Mauser ledgers and see if I cal locate your pistols.

Cheers,

Mauro

alvin · 05-19-2017, 05:59 PM

Arrived!!

These two are better than I expected. A reasonable question is "What do you expect?" -- originally, I thought this pair must come from an European collector, maybe imported by Simpson LTD. No, no Simpson marking on the bottom of the grip...surprise... Both do not have that. Only factory markings on them, such as "Made in Germany" in the back of the frame, and Mauser company address in front of the grip..

alvin · 05-19-2017, 06:21 PM

The boxes are numbered to the pistols. One box is perfect. Another one is almost perfect except two oil stain marks on the lid... probably caused by putting the pistol on top of box for displaying. The paper stuffs are still seal in red plastic bag..

Previous owner did everything he had to do to preserve these. The only mistake that he made was selling too many pairs in one auction session. RIAC charges seller too, hopefully, that charge is on the total price, not on the hammer price, so seller can get more on these two wonderful pistols.

mrerick · 05-19-2017, 07:04 PM

The proof mark on the pistol will tell you if they were made for the export market, or for sale in Europe. "FBM" is the mark that they put on export pistols. I believe E/N went on those for European distribution.

Marc

alvin · 05-19-2017, 07:27 PM

It's E/N. Probably they missed stamping them, or hiding somewhere that I did not see.....

mauro · 05-20-2017, 04:56 AM

Alvin,
Congratulation for the nice pistols.
What is the serial number?
I have in the Mauser Archive the, unfortunately incomplete, ledger of the Russian and Bulgarian commemoratives, I can try to see if I can certify them with the production date.
Cheers,
Mauro

alvin · 05-20-2017, 06:15 AM

Mauro, s/n are 144von250B and 144von250R. Are they in database? I'd like to have them certified. Thanks.

One more questions: in the box, there is a sheet of bubble wrap roughly box size.. I am not sure that's factory, or RIAC putting there?

mauro · 05-20-2017, 06:34 AM

Dear Alvin,
I will see what I can do.
I have several documents related to this production among them the original drawings of the Bulgarian and Russian Crests.

The bubble wrap is not from the period.

Please send to me an email to: [email protected]

in this way I can pass to you the data.
I will work on the researches for your pistols.
Cheers,
Mauro

alvin · 05-20-2017, 06:39 AM

Email sent. Thanks!

Vlim · 05-20-2017, 03:08 PM

HH is the 1977 proof year.

alvin · 05-20-2017, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

HH is the 1977 proof year.

40 years!! I bought my 1st Interarms Mauser in 1996, and bought 2nd Interarms Mauser in 2015. Those two were shooters.... Actually the 1st one also came NIB, with everything, the box did not look this nice. I ruined that gun. The 2nd one was mint, had a broken box without lid, no misc stuffs either. Both worked well, especially the 1st one, I fired more than a thousand rounds from it and it never failed. Those two are gone. These two stone mint commemorative ones will be kept as investment items without shooting a single round.

alvin · 05-21-2017, 01:33 PM

Received Parabellum Certificate from Mauro for the pair!! It's a great addition to these pistols.

I also posted the pair in a Chinese gun forum. Some members there had access to many types of C&R guns, but since Parabellum was rare in China, they did not have access to this type. All wondered why German guns being so cheap in the US

Also wondered what's special about Bulgarian Luger and Russian Luger so commemoratives were made on them..

Commemoratives were made on certain variations of Luger,,, not really based on the historical importance of those selected variations though, but based on rarity. That's more collector oriented consideration. For any type of gun, being recognized by public, having a role in the history, need production volume and wide distribution. From that perspective, both Bulgarian and Russian had tiny volume and narrow distribution. But that's exactly the reason commemoratives being made on them, not on byf 42, not on DWM 1918, etc, although those had much bigger role in history. But this can also be viewed in a broader sense -- commemoratives were made on Bulgarian, Russian, CC, Navy, etc, but they can be viewed as in memorial of all Parabellum pistols.

mauro · 05-21-2017, 01:55 PM

Alvin,
Happy that you appreciate the certificates.

All, if you have a Mauser Parabellum and you want to check if the serial number is in the original Mauser ledgers, please contact me: [email protected]

More information on the certificate here: http://www.lugerlp08.com/mauser%20pa...tification.htm

Cheers,
Mauro

05-10-2017, 02:07 PM	#25
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Sure Alvin, When you have the sn of the pistols let me know. I will go trough the Mauser ledgers and see if I cal locate your pistols. Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

05-19-2017, 05:59 PM	#26
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Arrived!! These two are better than I expected. A reasonable question is "What do you expect?" -- originally, I thought this pair must come from an European collector, maybe imported by Simpson LTD. No, no Simpson marking on the bottom of the grip...surprise... Both do not have that. Only factory markings on them, such as "Made in Germany" in the back of the frame, and Mauser company address in front of the grip.. Attached Thumbnails

05-19-2017, 06:21 PM	#27
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The boxes are numbered to the pistols. One box is perfect. Another one is almost perfect except two oil stain marks on the lid... probably caused by putting the pistol on top of box for displaying. The paper stuffs are still seal in red plastic bag.. Previous owner did everything he had to do to preserve these. The only mistake that he made was selling too many pairs in one auction session. RIAC charges seller too, hopefully, that charge is on the total price, not on the hammer price, so seller can get more on these two wonderful pistols. Attached Thumbnails

05-19-2017, 07:04 PM	#28
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	The proof mark on the pistol will tell you if they were made for the export market, or for sale in Europe. "FBM" is the mark that they put on export pistols. I believe E/N went on those for European distribution. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-19-2017, 07:27 PM	#29
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	It's E/N. Probably they missed stamping them, or hiding somewhere that I did not see..... Attached Thumbnails

05-10-2017, 06:50 AM	#21
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I told kids at dinner table that I bought a pair of Parabellums for them. Everyone's reaction was different. Younger kid asked "What is that? Never heard of it" -- he's too young to play these anyway. Elder kid asked "Luger? I thought that you don't play Lugers..." -- well, I don't play Lugers, but you can play Lugers. It's your gift. Keep yours NIB in future though. Save the box well don't throw them away. Don't shoot it. And, going Springfield gunshow with your friends is OK but don't spend your money on any gun before consulting me. Wife asked "if it's cheap, why did not you buy more?" -- well, missed that Navy pair on Day 2... on Day 3, what else worth considering? And, investment requires diversity, fewer can limit the risk of future uncertainty.

05-10-2017, 02:05 PM	#24
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	This certification service is great. I will let kids know. I will forward the information "domain researcher has certification service on the pistol".. my elder kid works and has some interest in guns, he should have interest. The younger one still depends on me... if his brother does not pay for his sample, I will do it when item arrives.

05-20-2017, 04:56 AM	#30
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Alvin, Congratulation for the nice pistols. What is the serial number? I have in the Mauser Archive the, unfortunately incomplete, ledger of the Russian and Bulgarian commemoratives, I can try to see if I can certify them with the production date. Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

05-20-2017, 06:15 AM	#31
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Mauro, s/n are 144von250B and 144von250R. Are they in database? I'd like to have them certified. Thanks. One more questions: in the box, there is a sheet of bubble wrap roughly box size.. I am not sure that's factory, or RIAC putting there? Attached Thumbnails

05-20-2017, 06:34 AM	#32
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Dear Alvin, I will see what I can do. I have several documents related to this production among them the original drawings of the Bulgarian and Russian Crests. The bubble wrap is not from the period. Please send to me an email to: [email protected] in this way I can pass to you the data. I will work on the researches for your pistols. Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

05-20-2017, 06:39 AM	#33
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Email sent. Thanks!

05-20-2017, 03:08 PM	#34
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	HH is the 1977 proof year.

05-21-2017, 01:33 PM	#36
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Received Parabellum Certificate from Mauro for the pair!! It's a great addition to these pistols. I also posted the pair in a Chinese gun forum. Some members there had access to many types of C&R guns, but since Parabellum was rare in China, they did not have access to this type. All wondered why German guns being so cheap in the US Also wondered what's special about Bulgarian Luger and Russian Luger so commemoratives were made on them.. Commemoratives were made on certain variations of Luger,,, not really based on the historical importance of those selected variations though, but based on rarity. That's more collector oriented consideration. For any type of gun, being recognized by public, having a role in the history, need production volume and wide distribution. From that perspective, both Bulgarian and Russian had tiny volume and narrow distribution. But that's exactly the reason commemoratives being made on them, not on byf 42, not on DWM 1918, etc, although those had much bigger role in history. But this can also be viewed in a broader sense -- commemoratives were made on Bulgarian, Russian, CC, Navy, etc, but they can be viewed as in memorial of all Parabellum pistols.

05-21-2017, 01:55 PM	#37
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Alvin, Happy that you appreciate the certificates. All, if you have a Mauser Parabellum and you want to check if the serial number is in the original Mauser ledgers, please contact me: [email protected] More information on the certificate here: http://www.lugerlp08.com/mauser%20pa...tification.htm Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.