Silencer Adapter

MarkC · 10-11-2013, 07:15 PM

A friend of mine in Europe ran across a few of these and I was able to acquire one.

Does anyone have a clue as to who they were made for? They are marked GERMANY so I suppose for export?

The Norwegians come to mind, any other theories?

I have it attached to a "shooter" EG reworked Luger I own. It also fits on some P.38 barrels.

Mark

S.B. · 10-10-2014, 01:03 AM

And what was the price?
Steve

jussi16 · 10-10-2014, 07:03 AM

Hello.

Someone has manufactured these for the past year or two in Europe. They are sold here and there for about 50€.
I don`t know if they are the real thing. You can get them for P08, P38, nagant...
Never seen a silencer.

mrerick · 10-10-2014, 12:04 PM

Probably not a silencer adapter. More likely used for a sub-caliber (.22:LR) barrel insert and conversion kit.

(But..... After reviewing the comments below, and looking up references, I have to agree with John et. al...)

Marc

John Sabato · 10-10-2014, 12:44 PM

I would have to agree with MarkC. The design of these is more closely appropriate to a silencer, not a .22 barrel adapter...

A .22 adapter would likely have threads on the barrel that when the nut is tightened on the outside of the barrel it would draw the barrel tightly into the chamber like the standard Erma conversion unit. This device attaches securely to the end of the barrel by securing itself to the front sight base. The end threads are external for attaching something to the end... hence, a silencer adapter.

The external threads also dramatically reduce the possibility that this device was a cleaning rod guide...

S.B. · 10-10-2014, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

Probably not a silencer adapter. More likely used for a sub-caliber (.22:LR) barrel insert and conversion kit.

Marc

I doubt this because of the external(male) threads? Still, would be interesting in a collection.
Steve

Diver6106 · 10-10-2014, 05:18 PM

Your fitting is for a silencer. Here is one fitted to a P-38. And a better solution by just putting threads on a barrel. This is another fitting being sold on ebay:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=33322

S.B. · 10-10-2014, 06:44 PM

Not legal where I live but still, interesting addition to any collection.
Steve

GreyHammer · 10-10-2014, 10:14 PM

The images you reference are for silencer adapters and can be purchased at CMR Classic Firearms www.cmrfirearms.com. Last time I looked, they were125usd. And, they are like ww2 era. Only problem, these adapters are for .30 luger caliber barrels only. Now, I have the real deal for my 9mm lugers that I bought from DAQ Couplers. What you see here is a DAQ coupler that has a 5/8-11 thread. That’s the only thread available. Then, there is a 5/8-11 to ½-28 adapter. Then there is the YHM Cobra suppressor. I have purchase these couplers from DAQ earlier and had Kenneth Stuteville at Sniper’s Hide re-cut the thread to ½-28. But, Kenneth has drop-off the Hide’s forums and doesn’t answer his emails. I still plan to have these threads re-cut so I don’t need the middle adapter. (DAQ - Closeout of P-38 & Luger couplings with 5/8-11 threads. $25. each. www.muzzlecouplings.com)
The photo's shown above were found on the net. I've seen them around for years.
And, surprisingly, the sights just clear the top of the suppressor.

ithacaartist · 10-11-2014, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyHammer

...What you see here is a DAQ coupler...Then, there is a 5/8-11 to ½-28 adapter...Then there is the YHM Cobra suppressor.

Does all this extra weight affect function? Seems a similar situation to the Carbine, when considering the overall weight of the upper, which is effectively increased by these attachments. IIRC, the early Carbines had a spring inside the fore-stock to help return the upper to battery, and they were supposed to use special ammo. I don't think the commercial Carbines from the 20s had that feature or requirement...?

S.B. · 10-11-2014, 08:13 PM

Good question Lifer.
Steve

GreyHammer · 10-12-2014, 12:33 PM

No, the luger action works just fine with 147 gr FMC - Magtech (sub-sonic). The YHM silencer has a Nielsen device (recoil booster) which acts as an inertial damper. Runs okay on my 1918 DWM 4" barreled P08 without any jams or misfires.

Here's the real reason I would NOT recommend suppressing a luger: they are loud. Much louder than the platform I regularly use, the Sig 229. Hardly worth the effort. There are heavy forces on the adapter and I have had the locking ring jump ship on occasion, although with no damage to the baffles. -- just the cool factor going for you here, but don't expect much in the sound reduction department. One additional point, with the original .30 cal adapters, they are spring loaded at the muzzle attachment point. That may help reduce the forces on the locking ring.
And, there is the little matter of the blue wear at the attachment point, something to consider.

hayhugh · 10-16-2014, 07:04 AM

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aldo35 · 10-28-2014, 03:32 PM

I recently saw similar devices for at a militaria show in Belgium. When asked the vendor claimed they were throat protection to be used when cleaning the bore. The prices ranged from $30 - 50.
Aldo35

Vlim · 10-28-2014, 03:43 PM

In my opinion these are recent fantasy pieces, not based on any historical items. A load of muzzle protectors with obviously faked eagle/swastika markings was dumped on the market a few years ago. Probably from the same source and just as fake.

Kiwi Mark · 06-22-2017, 04:28 AM

These adaptors use to be made by DAQ during the 1980s. He use to advertise in Shotgun News. Quackenbush air gun fame dependent. I believe if memory serves me right that his 1st name is Denis?

10-11-2013, 07:15 PM	#1
MarkC User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 478 Thanks: 1 Thanked 109 Times in 26 Posts	Silencer Adapter A friend of mine in Europe ran across a few of these and I was able to acquire one. Does anyone have a clue as to who they were made for? They are marked GERMANY so I suppose for export? The Norwegians come to mind, any other theories? I have it attached to a "shooter" EG reworked Luger I own. It also fits on some P.38 barrels. Mark Attached Thumbnails

10-10-2014, 12:04 PM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Probably not a silencer adapter. More likely used for a sub-caliber (.22:LR) barrel insert and conversion kit. (But..... After reviewing the comments below, and looking up references, I have to agree with John et. al...) Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-10-2014, 12:44 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I would have to agree with MarkC. The design of these is more closely appropriate to a silencer, not a .22 barrel adapter... A .22 adapter would likely have threads on the barrel that when the nut is tightened on the outside of the barrel it would draw the barrel tightly into the chamber like the standard Erma conversion unit. This device attaches securely to the end of the barrel by securing itself to the front sight base. The end threads are external for attaching something to the end... hence, a silencer adapter. The external threads also dramatically reduce the possibility that this device was a cleaning rod guide... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-10-2014, 05:18 PM	#7
Diver6106 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt. Vernon VA Posts: 244 Thanks: 1,424 Thanked 117 Times in 75 Posts	Your fitting is for a silencer. Here is one fitted to a P-38. And a better solution by just putting threads on a barrel. This is another fitting being sold on ebay: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=33322 Attached Thumbnails

10-10-2014, 10:14 PM	#9
GreyHammer User Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 66 Thanked 25 Times in 14 Posts	The images you reference are for silencer adapters and can be purchased at CMR Classic Firearms www.cmrfirearms.com. Last time I looked, they were125usd. And, they are like ww2 era. Only problem, these adapters are for .30 luger caliber barrels only. Now, I have the real deal for my 9mm lugers that I bought from DAQ Couplers. What you see here is a DAQ coupler that has a 5/8-11 thread. That’s the only thread available. Then, there is a 5/8-11 to ½-28 adapter. Then there is the YHM Cobra suppressor. I have purchase these couplers from DAQ earlier and had Kenneth Stuteville at Sniper’s Hide re-cut the thread to ½-28. But, Kenneth has drop-off the Hide’s forums and doesn’t answer his emails. I still plan to have these threads re-cut so I don’t need the middle adapter. (DAQ - Closeout of P-38 & Luger couplings with 5/8-11 threads. $25. each. www.muzzlecouplings.com) The photo's shown above were found on the net. I've seen them around for years. And, surprisingly, the sights just clear the top of the suppressor. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by GreyHammer; 10-12-2014 at 04:50 PM.

10-10-2014, 01:03 AM	#2
S.B. User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: CentraL Illinois Posts: 35 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	And what was the price? Steve

10-10-2014, 07:03 AM	#3
jussi16 User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 250 Thanks: 77 Thanked 52 Times in 31 Posts	Hello. Someone has manufactured these for the past year or two in Europe. They are sold here and there for about 50€. I don`t know if they are the real thing. You can get them for P08, P38, nagant... Never seen a silencer.

10-10-2014, 06:44 PM	#8
S.B. User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: CentraL Illinois Posts: 35 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Not legal where I live but still, interesting addition to any collection. Steve

10-11-2014, 08:13 PM	#11
S.B. User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: CentraL Illinois Posts: 35 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Good question Lifer. Steve

10-12-2014, 12:33 PM	#12
GreyHammer User Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Concord, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 66 Thanked 25 Times in 14 Posts	No, the luger action works just fine with 147 gr FMC - Magtech (sub-sonic). The YHM silencer has a Nielsen device (recoil booster) which acts as an inertial damper. Runs okay on my 1918 DWM 4" barreled P08 without any jams or misfires. Here's the real reason I would NOT recommend suppressing a luger: they are loud. Much louder than the platform I regularly use, the Sig 229. Hardly worth the effort. There are heavy forces on the adapter and I have had the locking ring jump ship on occasion, although with no damage to the baffles. -- just the cool factor going for you here, but don't expect much in the sound reduction department. One additional point, with the original .30 cal adapters, they are spring loaded at the muzzle attachment point. That may help reduce the forces on the locking ring. And, there is the little matter of the blue wear at the attachment point, something to consider.

10-16-2014, 07:04 AM	#13
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	https://www.libertytreecollectors.co...&idcategory=42

10-28-2014, 03:32 PM	#14
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 343 Thanks: 2,229 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	Adapters I recently saw similar devices for at a militaria show in Belgium. When asked the vendor claimed they were throat protection to be used when cleaning the bore. The prices ranged from $30 - 50. Aldo35

10-28-2014, 03:43 PM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	In my opinion these are recent fantasy pieces, not based on any historical items. A load of muzzle protectors with obviously faked eagle/swastika markings was dumped on the market a few years ago. Probably from the same source and just as fake.

06-22-2017, 04:28 AM	#16
Kiwi Mark User Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts	DAQ Manufacturing These adaptors use to be made by DAQ during the 1980s. He use to advertise in Shotgun News. Quackenbush air gun fame dependent. I believe if memory serves me right that his 1st name is Denis?