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[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

Hi back to you. I would have tried Power Pistol already. If it was for sale here.

Kurusu,

Thanks!!

By the way, what bullet are you shooting and at what O.A.L.?


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[kurusu]

This was filmed by a fellow shooter in a normal training session to divulge the service pistol event in our Club page. I was not trying to prove anything or show off. They are just two slow fire 5 shot strings nothing more.

I managed 1 8 ring shot at the begining of each string.

https://youtu.be/B1EPN5CBB_M

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

Hi back to you. I would have tried Power Pistol already. If it was for sale here.

COL was 1,1 with RG (Spanish brand) bullets.

Kurusu,

Congratulations on that find, as they look quite a bit like the original DWM TC bullet!!

I bet a 29mm O.A.L. would be about perfect for them!

Is their weight consistent?

Do you know if they are available in the U.S.?


Sieger

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Kurusu,

Thanks!!

By the way, what bullet are you shooting and at what O.A.L.?


Sieger

I already edited my first response with that info, sorry.

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Kurusu,

Congratulations on that find, as they look quite a bit like the original DWM TC bullet!!

I bet a 29mm O.A.L. would be about perfect for them!

Is their weight consistent?

Do you know if they are available in the U.S.?


Sieger

Weight was 90% consistent. I weighted each and everyone of them and tossed 10% that were either more or less than half a gr from 124.

Have no ideia if they are available in the USA, but I doubt it.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

This was filmed by a fellow shooter in a normal training session to divulge the sevice pistol event in our Club page. I was not trying to prove anything or show off. They are just two slow fire 5 shot strings nothing more.

I managed 1 8 ring shot at the begining of each string.

https://youtu.be/B1EPN5CBB_M

Kurusu,

I've seen this video in a much earlier posting here.

FANTASTIC free hand shooting with factory ammo.

Thanks for the memories!


Sieger

[kurusu]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Kurusu,

I've seen this video in a much earlier posting here.

FANTASTIC free hand shooting with factory ammo.

Thanks for the memories!


Sieger

First. I did weight those WWBs and separated those that were either too light or too heavy.

Second. WWB is not like that anymore.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

First. I did weight those WWBs and separated those that were either too light or too heavy.

Second. WWB is not like that anymore.

Kurusu,

If available there, Vectran "AO" powder looks like a more accurate Luger powder to me.
You might give it a try.

Bullet weight variance look quite "variable" to me. This affects ultimate accuracy, as you know.


Sieger

[DonVoigt]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Don,

Please feel free comment as you would like to.

Yes, I do have many Luger fired, twenty-five yard, three-in-one-hole (defined as three shots touching) group targets as posted by me over the many years I have been posting here. Does that meet YOUR definition of one hole groups? Maybe not.

I can also hold a .45 inch group, with a Finnish Mosin, at 100 yards, with my custom loads for it.

Comments?


Sieger

Thanks for the clarification.

Three shots touching is not "one hole" , IMO. However if you define it as one hole- fine.
If measured center to center, three 9mm shots could be 0.5" or .75" or more, not 0.36" - the diameter of a 9mm round.

A .45" Moisin group is an excellent group; and would be with most anything, except maybe a .22 lr.

As is often the case, misunderstanding is based in definitions.

Groups to me are of 5 or 10 rounds, fewer is not a real test of man or equipment, again JMHO.

[Sieger]

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Thanks for the clarification.

Three shots touching is not "one hole" , IMO. However if you define it as one hole- fine.
If measured center to center, three 9mm shots could be 0.5" or .75" or more, not 0.36" - the diameter of a 9mm round.

A .45" Moisin group is an excellent group; and would be with most anything, except maybe a .22 lr.

As is often the case, misunderstanding is based in definitions.

Groups to me are of 5 or 10 rounds, fewer is not a real test of man or equipment, again JMHO.

Don,

I'm glad that we can agree!


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[Sieger]

Originally Posted by kurusu

First. I did weight those WWBs and separated those that were either too light or too heavy.

Second. WWB is not like that anymore.

Kurusu,

Very sadly, I realize that .


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[Kyrie]

Originally Posted by Sieger

Kyrie,

Then why does STANAG 4090 state that it was, indeed, implemented, by all three branches of our Armed Forces, in June of 1986?

Sieger

Sorry Sieger, but you're seeing what you expect to see rather than what is there.

What's being 'implemented' is the acceptance of the 9 mm Luger cartridge as a US issue cartridge. The US notified NATO the USA was accepting the 9 mm cartridge the year after the Beretta model 92 was accepted as a standard US sidearm.