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k98mike · 10-18-2018, 07:08 PM

I recently purchased a 1917 Artillery rig. The proof on the board stock is VERY FAINT. Anyone have some pics of what they should look like? Thanks very much to whomever replies, Mike

Norme · 10-18-2018, 08:30 PM

Here you go Mike.
Norm

k98mike · 10-18-2018, 09:16 PM

Thanks Norm! The crown is barely visible, and the letter underneath? An "M"? "N"? The stock is in good shape...but literally has hundreds of tiny handling marks. Mike

Norme · 10-18-2018, 11:07 PM

Hi Mike ,
Your mark could only be a DWM Crown/Gothic S, like mine, or an Erfurt Crown/Gothic G (much rarer).
Norm

Dwight Gruber · 10-19-2018, 06:44 AM

Norm, or anybody,

I have come under the impression that only Erfurt LP08 stocks would be inspection stamped; that DWM stocks, as with the rest of their contract delivery work, would not?

--Dwight

LU1900 · 10-19-2018, 10:17 AM

Here some stamp , from the forum and my collection :
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Norme · 10-19-2018, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

Norm, or anybody,

I have come under the impression that only Erfurt LP08 stocks would be inspection stamped; that DWM stocks, as with the rest of their contract delivery work, would not?

--Dwight

Hi Dwight,
Do you have any evidence to support this view?
Regards, Norm

gunbugs · 10-19-2018, 10:28 AM

Crown "M" sounds like he might have a navy stock.

Norme · 10-19-2018, 10:53 AM

It would be hard to mistake a Navy stock for an Artillery with that stock disc in the middle!

Dwight Gruber · 10-19-2018, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Dwight,
Do you have any evidence to support this view?
Regards, Norm

Nope, wish I did. Only logic...

--Dwight

lugerholsterrepair · 10-19-2018, 01:31 PM

If I remember correctly it is because Crown G stocks often come with Erfurt proofed stock iron screws.

DonVoigt · 10-19-2018, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Gruber

Nope, wish I did. Only logic...

--Dwight

Could be that stocks were not "made" by DWM, but by a sub?
Then the Stocks would have been inspected separately.

No "count" but there are way to many C/S stocks to be Erfurt produced; and not enough "un-marked" to be DWM. JMHO.

k98mike · 10-19-2018, 07:04 PM

The stock is numbered to the pistol, 1107h, DWM 1917. (Still has fine tune front and rear sights). The crown is barely able to be made out (In certain light), and there is a pressure mark, (dent) right below it, I guess it will always be a mystery! I had a similar rig in the early 1990's with great proofs on the stock, but also had the name "Buxton" carved in it in 1 in letters. Oh well; these guns have been in the trenches of WW 1, brought home by ship in duffle bags, and have generally hung around for 101 years in my case, part of the fun of collecting.

10-18-2018, 07:08 PM	#1
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	Faint I recently purchased a 1917 Artillery rig. The proof on the board stock is VERY FAINT. Anyone have some pics of what they should look like? Thanks very much to whomever replies, Mike

10-18-2018, 08:30 PM	#2
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Here you go Mike. Norm Attached Thumbnails

10-18-2018, 09:16 PM	#3
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	Thanks Thanks Norm! The crown is barely visible, and the letter underneath? An "M"? "N"? The stock is in good shape...but literally has hundreds of tiny handling marks. Mike

10-19-2018, 10:17 AM	#6
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 908 Thanks: 42 Thanked 469 Times in 197 Posts	Here some stamp , from the forum and my collection : / Attached Thumbnails __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

10-19-2018, 10:53 AM	#9
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	It would be hard to mistake a Navy stock for an Artillery with that stock disc in the middle! Attached Thumbnails

10-18-2018, 11:07 PM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Mike , Your mark could only be a DWM Crown/Gothic S, like mine, or an Erfurt Crown/Gothic G (much rarer). Norm

10-19-2018, 06:44 AM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	Norm, or anybody, I have come under the impression that only Erfurt LP08 stocks would be inspection stamped; that DWM stocks, as with the rest of their contract delivery work, would not? --Dwight

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gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 660 Thanks: 366 Thanked 1,179 Times in 395 Posts	Crown "M" sounds like he might have a navy stock.

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10-19-2018, 07:04 PM	#13
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	The stock is numbered to the pistol, 1107h, DWM 1917. (Still has fine tune front and rear sights). The crown is barely able to be made out (In certain light), and there is a pressure mark, (dent) right below it, I guess it will always be a mystery! I had a similar rig in the early 1990's with great proofs on the stock, but also had the name "Buxton" carved in it in 1 in letters. Oh well; these guns have been in the trenches of WW 1, brought home by ship in duffle bags, and have generally hung around for 101 years in my case, part of the fun of collecting.